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  1. Hello - sorry if this is in the wrong area of the forum, but I'm after a bit of advice.

    My grandfather served aboard HMS Swiftsure (08) during WWII and was awarded the Pacific Star and WM. The medals were lost some time ago and I'm in the process of ordering some replicas to pin to my uniform when November comes around.

    What I need help with is the engraving. Does anyone know what details are engraved and is there a particular order? (Name, Rank, Number?)

    Any help gratefully received! :)


    Cheers - Jay
     
  2. Mine have rank, name, number and service i.e. RN. I think WW2 campaign medals weren't engraved with any details but I could be wrong.

    Edited to add, I was correct

    "However, the ‘Defence medal’, the ‘1939 to 45 War medal’ and the campaign stars awarded for service during World War 2, are not engraved with the details of the recipient. The decision not to engrave these medals was laid out in the original regulations relating to World War 2 medals and are still followed."

    All on this website

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-ministry-of-defence-medal-office
     
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  3. LB

    Just as a matter of interest, have you applied for your grandfather's service record?
     
  4. Brilliant - cheers for the info, I'll get them ordered without any engraving ;)

    I haven't... and didn't even know it was possible(?)

    He died when I was 15 and he never spoke of the War. The internet is unusually useless - info is very sparse on it's role, where it went and even who the crew were.

    I work a stone's throw from HMS Belfast and it always makes me sad to think I will never see HMS Swiftsure in the metal. I can't even ask the veterans because most (if not all) are sadly gone now.
     
  5. Hi LB, my fathers medals were lost over time, and I contacted veterans uk and there is a link to apply for medals if you have the service number and various other bits of info they will tell you the medals that were awarded. Good luck
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  6. No Campaign or War Medals were engraved WW2 and differed from WW1 in that you had to apply for them.
    My British Korean Medal is engraved but the UN Korean Medal is not
     

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    SERVICE HISTORIES of ROYAL NAVY WARSHIPSin WORLD WAR 2



    HMS SWIFTSURE - Swiftsure/Minotaur-class Light Cruiser




    MINOTAUR (Improved FIJI) Class cruiser ordered on19th May 1941from Vickers-Armstrong,Newcastle underaWar Programme and laid down on22nd September 1941. The ship was launched on4th February 1943and completed on22 June 1944. First RN cruiser to be fitted on build with an Action Information System and radar for target indication linked to fire control radars as well as the latesttypesaircraft direction and radio communications equipment


    B a t t l e H o n o u r s

    ARMADA 1588 -CADIZ1596 -SANTA CRUZ1657 -LOWESTOFT 1665 -FOUR DAYS BATTLE 1666 - SCHOONVELD 1673 -TEXEL 1673 - BARFLEUR 1692-VIGO1702- GIBRALTAR 1704- VELEZMALAGA1704 -LAGOS 1705 -QUIBERONBAY1759 - BELLEISLE 1761 -NILE 1795 - EGYPT 1801 -TRAFALGAR 1805 -SUEZ CANAL 1915 - DARDANELLES 1915-16-OKINAWA1945

    H e r a l d i c D a t a

    Badge: On a Field Blue, an heraldic Tiger rampant, wings Gold and langued Red.



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    D e t a i l s o f W a r S e r v i c e



    (for more ship information,go toNaval History Homepageand type name in Site Search




    1 9 44


    May Contractors trials


    June

    22nd Build completion and commenced Acceptance Trials.

    Commissioned for service.

    On completion of trials and storing took passage toScapa Flow to work-up with ships of Home Fleet.


    July Worked up with Home Fleet atScapa Flow.


    August Deployed with Home Fleet

    to Nominated for duty with Eastern Fleet with 4th Cruiser Squadron.

    September


    October Passage to Plymouth.

    16th Under refit forforeign serviceat Devonport.


    November Passage to Mediterranean.

    Deployed inEastern Mediterranean.

    23rd Transferred to British Pacific Fleet on formation.


    December Passage fromSueztoCeylon

    8th Arrived at Trincomalee..

    10th Passage to Fremantle with HM Escort Carriers FENCER and STRIKER screened bythreedestroyers.

    . Joined by HM Escort Carriers ATHELING, BATTLER and HM CruiserACHILLES and two

    destroyers.

    16th Detached with HMS ACHILLES for independent passage.

    24th Arrived at Hobart

    Passage to Sydney to join British Pacific Fleet


    1 9 4 5


    January Deployed atSydneyand took part in Fleet exercises to prepare for service with US Navy ships.

    (Note: These included use of US Navy signalling procedures..

    BPF ships were identified as Task Group 113.


    February Sydney deployment in continuation.

    (Note:USapproval for deployment of RN ships with US 5th Fleet was delayed. )

    See OPERATION PACIFIC by E Gray, THE FORGOTTEN FLEET by J Winton,

    WAR WITHJAPAN(HMSO) )andTask Force 57 by P Smith.

    28th Took passage with ships of Task Group 113 to British Forward Base at Manus,Admiralty Islands.

    (Note: Part of Unit 5 with HM Cruisers GAMBIA, BLACK PRINCE and ARGONAUT.)


    March HM Battleship HOWE joined TG 113 during passage.

    7th Arrived at Manus to await approval for operational service with US Navy

    15th Approval for joint service with US 5th Fleet received.

    18th Sailed with TF113.5 toUlithi

    20th Carried out further exercises on passage.

    23rd Allocated to 5th Fleet and designated Task Force 57.

    Sailed to support joint RN/USN carrier air operations against airfields and shore targets in

    Sakishima-GuntoIslands( OperationICEBERG I)

    US task Force 58 were also deployed in this Operation.)

    25th Replenished in Area ANT from British Fleet Train (TF113)

    26th Deployed in support of carrier air operations

    (Note: This began a pattern of a period providing defence with TF57 followed by withdrawal

    forreplenishment and two or three days continuous attacks by British aircraft.

    Replenishmentweremade in designated areas. See WAR WITHJAPAN.

    See above references for details.)


    April

    1st Under KAMIKAZE attacks.

    8th After replenishment in Area COOTIE carried took passage to provide cover during air operations

    againstairfields inFormosa by RN carriers (Operation ICEBERG OOLONG.)

    21st Took passage toLeyteafter final air operations in ICEBERG I.

    23rd Arrived atLeytefor R&R..


    May

    1st Sailed fromLeytewith TF57 to resume air operations inSakashima-Guntoin conjunction with

    TF58 aircraft carriers (Operation ICEBERG II)

    3rd After replenishment in Area COOTIE nominated with

    HM Cruisers BLACK PRINCE and EURYALUS to bombard targets atMitakoShina, Formosa

    4th Returned from bombardment after ships inSakishimaGuntohad been under sustained

    KAMIKAZE and conventional air attacks.

    See above references for details of damage to RN carriers.

    Resumed pattern of air strike operations andreplenishment ,

    9th Under further air attacks with damage to US and RN carriers.

    10th Deployed with HM Destroyer KEMPENFELT as Air Picker away from carriers to give early

    warningof enemy air attacks.

    25th Took passage to Manus with ships of TF57 on completion of final air operations and replenishment

    (Note: HM Battleship KING GEORGE V which had only recently joined BPF detached and took

    passagetoGuam.)


    June Deployed at Manus for maintenance.

    Nominated for special operation to carry out air strikes and bombardments onTruk.

    12th Sailed from Manus with HMS IMPLACABLE, HM Escort Carrier RULER, HM Cruisers

    UGANDA (RCN) NEWFOUNDLAND and ACHILLES (RNZN) as TF 111.2 with Fleet destroyer

    screento carry out air strikes and bombard enemy positions onTruk(Operation INMATE).

    14th Provided air defence during strikes by aircraft from HMS IMPLACABLE.

    15th Bombarded Moen with HM Destroyer TEAZER.

    On completion took passage.

    17th Rejoined BPF at Manus.

    Passage from Manus toSydney.


    July Deployed atSydneyfor R&R and to prepare for service with 3rd US Fleet as part of Task Force 37

    Nominated for refit before rejoining BPF in operations against targets on Japanese mainland.

    15th Under refit inSydney.


    August Completed refit and carried out post refit trials.

    15th Duringpassage to rejoin TF37 at Manus returned to RN control and redeployed for

    supportof re-occupation ofHong Kong.

    17th Took passage toSubicBay, Philippines.

    25th Joined British TG111 on formation atSubicBay.

    27th Sailed with HMS INDOMITABLE, HM Light Fleet Aircraft Carrier VENERABLE, HM

    Cruisers EURYALUS and BLACK PRINCE, HMLCI(L) PRINCE ROBERT (RCN), screened by

    sixdestroyers and supported by minesweepers and submarines as TG111.2.

    29th Joined by HM Battleship ANSON and HM Light Fleet Aircraft Carrier VENGEANCE

    offHong Kongprior to mine clearance operations.

    30th Entered Hong Kong with TG111.2 after threat of attacks by Japanese explosiveboats had been

    eliminatedby aircraft from HMS VENGEANCE.


    P o s t W a r N o t e s


    HMS SWIFTSURE returned to UK from Far East for duty with the Home Fleet and served as Flagship in Cruisers Squadrons. In 1953 she was badly damaged in a collision with HM Destroyer DIAMOND and paid off in 1955 for refit and modernisation. This work was never completed for reasons of economy and possibly because of design problems. The ship was reduced to Reserve status and laid-up until placed on the Disposal List in 1962. Sold to T W Ward for demolition she arrived in tow at Inverkeithing on 17th October 1962.
     
  8. If you read the link I posted, medals were automtically issued after WW1. Having said that, I had to apply for my OSM (Afghanistan).

    NATO medals aren't engraved, neither are jubilee medals.
     
  9. You're welcome.
     
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  10. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    He said gents soliel lol
     
  11. That leaves you out as well ;)
     
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  12. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    I didn't feel the need to mention my medal.
     
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  13. World War 2 Medals
    Summary of the medals and eligibility criteria
    Eight stars were issued for the campaigns of World War 2. The stars are a 6 pointed star, in bronze, with the cypher of King George VI in the centre. The title of each star appears around the cypher and also a different ribbon denotes each separate star. The colours of the ribbons have symbolic significance and are believed to have been designed personally by King George VI.

    Two medals, theDefence Medaland theWar Medal, were issued in recognition of general service in World War 2. These are circular medals made incupronickel.

    The criteria for the award of medals to those who had fought in World War 2 were finalised in 1948. In accordance with the criteria, the medals were issued unnamed.

    No more than 5 stars may be awarded to one person. Regulations relating to the award of thePacific,Burma,Atlantic,Air Crew EuropeandFrance and Germany starsprevent this from happening.

    Those who would qualify for more are awarded a clasp with the title of one of the stars to which they qualify. This clasp is then attached to the ribbon of one of the other stars, as laid out in the regulations.

    A candidate may qualify for both the Pacific and Burma stars but is only awarded one of these, which will be the first star earned. He will then receive a clasp with the title of the second star earned which is worn on the ribbon of the first.

    Another candidate may qualify for 2 or 3 of theAtlantic,Air Crew EuropeandFrance and Germany stars. In this instance the first star earned is awarded. He will then receive a clasp with the title of the second star earned to be worn on the ribbon of the first. A third star or clasp will not be awarded in this case.

    The1939 to 1945 Star,Africa starandItaly starcan all be awarded regardless of which other stars are qualified for.


     

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