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Women soldiers could be allowed to join combat roles

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
"No mate, I resigned after Down South but got called back twice, with 11 other of my 'boys'.....can't say more about that as I have a writer now and am gonna piss off the MOD and Admiralty bouncing on & off the OSAct."

Wow, you are so cool, I wish I was like you. I mean, to hint at knowing about secret stuff and then not saying anymore. Were I a woman my knickers would be wetter than an in use DRUI right now...

Can I touch you to get your awesomeness to rub off on me please?
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
"No mate, I resigned after Down South but got called back twice, with 11 other of my 'boys'.....can't say more about that as I have a writer now and am gonna piss off the MOD and Admiralty bouncing on & off the OSAct."

Wow, you are so cool, I wish I was like you. I mean, to hint at knowing about secret stuff and then not saying anymore. Were I a woman my knickers would be wetter than an in use DRUI right now...

Can I touch you to get your awesomeness to rub off on me please?
Yep, my thoughts precisely.

It made me want to sit, stock-still on my chestnut hoss in a rocky, boulder-strewn desert at twilight. The sky is glowing red whilst I tip back the peak of my stetson, gaze at the distant horizon through half closed eyes and take a long luxuriant draw on my Marlboro before hearing the satifying "spit - ding" as the discarded galvanised steel bucket chimes when struck by my well-aimed gob of tobacco juice. I can hear the posse of IDF babes, sigh in unison and in wistful admiration behind me. Yup, I'm da man.....
 

Rachelthree

War Hero
Fair enough. Your argument is effectively "it's impossible to explain so you'll just have to trust me", which carries zero weight and puts us at an impasse.

I think it's more that if you haven't then you have nothing to add.


i know feck all about it, but if people who have been there are behind it then wahoo- goooo women :)
 
No mate, I resigned after Down South but got called back twice, with 11 other of my 'boys'.....can't say more about that as I have a writer now and am gonna piss off the MOD and Admiralty bouncing on & off the OSAct.

As to your comment, they can decide what they like. But in reality if the KIA or even worse LIA count goes high with units on the frontline, esp in RH lands the press will go bonkers and so will command.

Wrap your head around this as a headline on News Of the World or any other rag, "GORGEOUS BLONDE VANISHES TAKEN BY THE TALIBAN FROM THE FRONTLINE"

Don't know your age, experience of life or Mil history, but if your daughter, sister etc was the photo on the front page it would NOT be the same as even (god forbid) your son was taken or killed.

If that doesn't make my point you are not getting it. And believe me, I am not some anti-female git....I just realise from experience that everyone has their time and place, and frontline with the PBI (that's Poor Bloody Infantry) is NOT where women should be because they will be targetted and more men will die.
THAT is the bottom line.

Ah sod it....RN Combined Ops.....Ghosts

Surely not.....Naval Hero.jpg
 

Blackrat

War Hero
Moderator
Book Reviewer
I'm the opposite. I want to know why it won't work, but you won't tell me. You just say it's impossible for you to explain.

If you had read my comments on another thread you would see I'm not against the idea and never have been.I'm referring to your comments about soldiers and what you can make them do.

I'll ask again; have you ever served front line and know the mindset of soldiers? Yes or no?


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Jack888

Midshipman
It was more a ref to the IDF than us, two toally different Militaries and mentalities.
But how do the sleeping arrangements go off base somewhere?
On board ship I hear its pretty strict but it still happens, bigger the ship, more places to sneek off to.

Just going sideways on this one, I've been out a long time, are there women on Subs now?

Signed Dinosaur................in this case!
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Yeah, I guess the mind plays tricks if you've been out the mil for many years. We ain't got subs, except in the Spar/NAAFI. We ain't ever had Poole Barracks either, come to think of it.
 
My first comment on the subject and I would just like to add a note of (very) personal experience. Firstly I have served with women at sea, at war, and under pressure. In my opinion they are every bit as good if not better operationally than most of their male counterparts, however, when the 2 Seakings from 849 B Squadron collided in March 2003 the aftermath was both chaotic and shocking. I was one of the first to arrive in the berthing bay when the first of the guys were brought inboard from the seaboat, pronounced dead by the MO and we then sadly had to move the guys to the hangar and into the facility we had prepared for potential casualties from 40 Cdo RM whom we had landed on the Al Fahwr Peninsular a couple of days earlier.
The ships First Aid teams some of whom were female were in the hangar as we descended with the first of the bodies, I can only recount my memories of subsequent events and one underlying recollection is the reaction of some members of the teams, tears, shock, and the utter loss of control.
In my honest opinion the female members did not act as professionally as their male counterparts who did as they were told remained out of the way quietly in the background.
So I would like to offer a slightly different angle to the debate, I have no doubt women serve as efficiently in most aspects of modern warfare, however, we should move away from the reaction of males to women casualties, but the reaction of females to male casualties in a combat situation, which in my opinion had an adverse affect both on the morale and operational effectiveness of our unit.
This is not intended to be a slur on our servicewomen s capabilities, rather something that should be taken into account when placing untrained and inexperienced females into a potential combat role at sea. I doubt if this issue has been dealt with since this event and stand corrected if this has been looked at and acted upon.
My daughter is serving so in no way am I attempting to take the moral high ground or to offend, I have nothing but respect for our women serving operationally at sea.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Those of us who have had to deal with the recovery of deceased service personnel act differently, whether it is the sanitised version of carrying a shroud or box, or actually picking them up before that.

Nothing can prepare you for the situation, some react spontaneously, some many years later, Stan.

Did it stop me doing my job? No. Did it affect me later? Fcuk, yes. Would I criticise anyone for reacting spontaneously and attribute it to gender? No.
 

Taloolah

Banned
As an aside to the gender debate, and as a one-off comment;In 7 years on RR, I don't think I've read a thread that so strikingly outlines what operatives do as a matter of course on a daily basis and the risks involved, as this one.You're all, (or have been), fantastic for what you do.
 

Spidiver

War Hero
I take it you never saw how Indiana Jones dealt with the vastly superior swordsman?

Likewise other nonsense with regard a small woman carrying a fat injured bloke. There are small blokes too, but as long as they are fit enough, they're in. The MOD said the same phys standards will apply. Exactly the same as they do for MCD already.

Only on paper Ninja, the female MCD was way below standard in all areas, it was a joke that she was allowed to continue and stay on course till the end, I refrained from putting "completed" or Passed....Tokenism and positive discrimination enabled the RN to have a female MCD officer.
 

Blackrat

War Hero
Moderator
Book Reviewer
It was more a ref to the IDF than us, two toally different Militaries and mentalities.
But how do the sleeping arrangements go off base somewhere?
On board ship I hear its pretty strict but it still happens, bigger the ship, more places to sneek off to.

Just going sideways on this one, I've been out a long time, are there women on Subs now?

Signed Dinosaur................in this case!

Who are you replying to?


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