Will the royal navy continue getting smaller?

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  1. Will there come a point where in a few years the number of ships we have will start to be built back up again?

    Or is it just a constant downward spiral?

    I was just wondering what you guys think, according to wiki we have less surface warships than france.Thats not on!
     
  2. I think for the next few years it will continue to decrease slightly, perhaps levelling out in the years immediately after the new carriers come on stream.
    Sadly, the reality is that successive govt's don't get the need for a Navy; the RAF busily promotes the theory that it can do anything anywhere and the apparent absence of a current major naval opponent added to the dominance of airpower perpetuates this. History tells us, however, that govt's think again only after there is a problem - the MoD were busily talking down the surface fleet until the Args hauled their flag over The Falklands and then there was an abrupt change of heart.
    With piracy growing in several parts of the world, the Mumbai attacks showing that terror plots do entail sea borne assetts and the growth of trafficing in both contraband and weapons, eventually the need for strong naval forces and the power projection they bring will be seen. As an island nation dependent on trade, it's madness to think that we can defend ourselves without a proper Navy - it's like expecting your house to be safe when you don't bother ensuring that the land surrounding your property is secure. Sadly, history tells us that governments only wake up to this and that inter service rivaly is only put aside once the crisis has hit.
     
  3. I think for the next few years it will continue to decrease slightly, perhaps levelling out in the years immediately after the new carriers come on stream.
    Sadly, the reality is that successive govt's don't get the need for a Navy; the RAF busily promotes the theory that it can do anything anywhere and the apparent absence of a current major naval opponent added to the dominance of airpower perpetuates this. History tells us, however, that govt's think again only after there is a problem - the MoD were busily talking down the surface fleet until the Args hauled their flag over The Falklands and then there was an abrupt change of heart.
    With piracy growing in several parts of the world, the Mumbai attacks showing that terror plots do entail sea borne assetts and the growth of trafficing in both contraband and weapons, eventually the need for strong naval forces and the power projection they bring will be seen. As an island nation dependent on trade, it's madness to think that we can defend ourselves without a proper Navy - it's like expecting your house to be safe when you don't bother ensuring that the land surrounding your property is secure. Sadly, history tells us that governments only wake up to this and that inter service rivaly is only put aside once the crisis has hit.
     
  4. Rich1, you are a very wise man. If only you were in Des Browne's position!!
     
  5. I think that the RN has got as small as it is going to get for the time being at least.
     
  6. The Navy website claims that a career in the Navy offers job security...but if it is getting smaller then people will lose their jobs/careers.

    How true is this? and is it mainly the bigger branches that make cut backs?
     
  7. Mate we have gaps all over the place. We need people to join up!
     
  8. Good news

    Im guessing it got smaller because there was not enough personnel?
     
  9. Erm, no, it got smaller because politicians don't want the RN until the Falklands happen and they need to win an election.
     
  10. Yes! went to a brief few years ago was told by a WO 1, that the plan is to reduce to 20,000 in the next 15yrs!
     
  11. So if i join up this year does that me that i could get chucked out because of cut backs in the next 10-12 years!?
     
  12. FFS hang on I'll check my crystal effing ball!
     
  13. They have probs reduced the RN as much as is possible. Due to the two new carriers being built, they will not be able to reduce the number of ships any further imo, as there would literally be no escorts for the carriers otherwise.
     
  14. ok realise that i ask the most stupid question i could possibly have thought of there...sorry
     
  15. ;)

    As I have already said, mirrored by IB08, the RN really can't get any smaller personnel wise.
    Put it this way, you are far better off with a career in the RN than you are in some other job :)
     
  16. God (if there is one) Forbid if the Navy gets any smaller.
    it was reducing rapidly in the 70/80s when I was in maily due to our colonial commitments and the good old Labour Party.
    The trouble is what Navy do we need today as politicians only think in the short term of a re-election.
    No Politician wants the forsight like as in the Falklands of having a replacement for the fixed wing carrier Arkroyal.
     
  17. Are we going back to the times our Sea Dads talked of.....'When we all knew each other'
     
  18. But will these carriers ever be built.? I have severe doubts.
     
  19. Of course they will, Broon promised...
     
  20. the new carriers will never sail with a full compliment of manning IMHO

    cant fill the chuffers we have now with bods.

    also - poor retention atm due to various reasons and poor treatment of the toms iirc
     

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