Discussion in 'Submariners' started by Stepto, Feb 27, 2009.

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  1. Ok, myself and my oppos have just arrived at Colling-grad, sorry, Collingwood, and it has become quite clear that us submariners-to-be are not liked all that much. I'm not talking about the odd joke, I mean that we are really disliked. The PT staff, drill staff et al. Now I think that we are a easy going, lighthearted bunch and don't deserve all the grief. Any advice?
    We have a great Divisional Officer and Leading Hand who fight our corner but any help would be great. If you are reading this from Mckenzie, and you know who you are, we can't wait to come home!!!!

    Kind regards,
  2. Surprising to hear that Stepto. If I remember correctly (can't be bothered to check) you're one of the more 'robust' newbies, otherwise I'd have thought it was just banter and you were being a tad sensitive. If it is 'that' bad the DO you mention should make it known to the powers that be. As you suggest, I'm not aware of any such situation at Raleigh - it all seems to come under the banter one would expect.

    The PTIs are probably just being bitchy in the hope that they can attract a (potentially) rich boyfriend.
  3. FlagWagger

    FlagWagger Book Reviewer

    Having sat in the SRs mess at Faslane and listened to a chorus of drunken submariners singing "I'd rather be a nigger than a skimmer" perhaps I can understand some of the hostility that you're receiving.

    Remember what its like and try and ensure that when you get your dolphins that you don't treat the rest of the RN like shit!
  4. HA!!! Too true. At Raleigh it was just banter and it was all in good fun. Here it seems to run much deeper. I'm not one to drip about things but the lads are really down about it. They feel as if they must have made the wrong choice. Still, they laugh about it and take it on the chin.
  5. Stepto, they're like that because they are too cowardly to admit their inferiority. After all, anyone can become a Skimmer... only the Elite are admitted into the Hallowed Submarine Service.

    Get yer chin up! Some of us here are proud of people like you! :thumbup:

    I'd buy you all a tot of rum, but Collingrad is too far away. :)
  6. Re Faslane, that's just wrong. The lot I'm with wouldn't stand that from anyone, let alone fellow oppos. We have a laugh with anyone and treat people as we find them.
  7. Thanks Thingy. Chin is up, smile is in place and boots are bulled!!!
  8. FlagWagger

    FlagWagger Book Reviewer

    Is the right answer.... good luck and don't let the skimmer bast.... er don't let them grind you down :)
  10. witsend

    witsend War Hero Book Reviewer

  11. Seadog

    Seadog War Hero Moderator

    Streaky asked of thingy and his opinion / advice.
    Spot on streaky. Haven't we been here before thingy? Service matters are not your part of ship.

    Don't worry about it stepto. Think of the money once you qualify! There are ******* in all branches and specialisations. Jealousy (from light green to dark green) and superiority complexes are part of Service life at least among the 'under 18s'. Get used to it but no-one should tolerate the nigger/skimmer song. Not heard it myself mind.

    Seadog, skimmer despite the avatar.
  12. witsend

    witsend War Hero Book Reviewer

    Never heard it either, but I don't drink,,,,,,,honest!!!!!!!!!!!!
  13. FlagWagger

    FlagWagger Book Reviewer

    Only heard it the once about 6-7 years ago and participants were well oiled to say the least (not that that's an excuse). All water under the bridge now - merely offered as an example that mud is thrown both ways and may explain some of the antipathy Stepto is experiencing at Colingrad.
  14. Whilst I realise that this dit comes from 1900 and frozen to death, and therefore probably doesn't apply to the modern philosophy at Collingrad, it might be worth a read.
    I was drafted to Collingrad along with several other submariners for a course, and we were ordered to remove our treasured "HM Submarines" cap tallies and replace them with Collingrad ones. We refused, as our tallies had been earned and not simply issued. The brown stuff hit the rotating object with sufficient force to spread it far and wide, and even FOSM got involved. The outcome? We were permitted to continue wearing our own tallies, which went down with the Collingrad hierarchy like a lead parachute!
    Maybe this could account for their continued hostility?
  15. If this is true, then it will be down to pure jealousy! You won't have the posh car yet, as you do not yet get your submarie pay, but that's what a lot of it will be about! When I was last in Collingrad, we still had to do all the skimmer NBCD modules - not a lot of use on a boat!!

    Just ignore them, then in a few months time, spend some of your hard earned sub pay to wind the gits up!!

    Plus, it is their only chance to try and get one over on you.
  16. Now I'm fully conscious I wish to apologise for my ignorant and insulting comments about skimmers. I was very pissed off with the way Stepto and his comrades were being treated by adults who ought to know better. Sorry to have caused personal offence to Streaky & Seadog.
  17. From another ex-sundodger:

    This kind of name-calling was usually the other way round i.e.
    US calling THEM....SKIMMER BAS***DS, and lobbing the odd
    bit of loose change at them for the taxi fare back onboard
    whilst we continued getting hammered before adjourning to
    our (payed for) hotel accommodation.

    Never experienced rampant dislike by shore based personnel,
    but - as has been noted - get it sorted....everyone's in the same
    Navy, be it them grey target-things or non-skid black diving

    And as for Physical Instructor Staff....what the flying f**k is a
    (future) submariner doing going anywhere near such a creature?
    They are to be avoided at all costs.....as their only claim to fame
    is that they can run and shout at one and the same time.

    Have a good career mate. The first few months are a nightmare,
    but it looks like the remaining T-Boats get a few good runs in
    these days.

    In 20 years of submarine-ing I only ever broke one skimmers
    arm, in Portland - and he was asking for it!
  18. sgtpepperband

    sgtpepperband War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Raleigh = full of kids.
    Collingwood = full of roughty toughty adult sailors (generally!)

    Anyway, you think you've got it bad - imagine the abuse I get..!! 8O :lol:
  19. Take it rouge!

    When i worked at raleigh the guys doing there course over at dolphin building used to slag off skimmers like hell, and they were not even qualified! As was said before in my experience its usually the other way around, your lot slagging off our lot!

    I have many crabmariner friends and they only ever talk about their money, in time so will you of that i am sure!

    Your trained strength counterparts have not done much for your reputation im afraid, throwing pound coins at people and laughing is just asking for a microphone stand in the face (brest 04) so dont expect all us poor skimmers to be overly friendly with ya.

    edited after re reading.
    As an aside i dont hate submariners!
  20. Used to be a lot of fun winding up the targets, and flaunting our riches (course that was in between deployments, when we were alongside), back in the 70's and 80's we were doing more sea time then the skimmers....what with everyone wanting to play at ASW and only so many boats to go around, so it was a friendly sort of feud like thing, unless it was after hours and ashore...then it would get nasty, but mostly skimmers didn't have the gonads to take on a few tables of boatmen (see we used to run as a family or mob, whatever you want to call it, just no boatmen was left behind attitude) just coming in off of a long deployment unless they were extremely suicidal...

    You'll get used to it, it's what hardens the shell, makes it harder to crack you, as that is all it is....pinging to see if you'll take the bait, and if they can and get under your skin your doomed...so ignore it and play the game, your time will come for payback.... 8)

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