Why would i need good eyesight for the Submarine Service?

The_Sherminator

Midshipman
SUYAIB said:
The_Sherminator said:
Anyway, i neglected to mention the word 'submarine' to the good lieutenant immediately - mainly because i didn't really get the chance. He told me i had no chance of becoming a Warfare Officer and immediately tried to railroad me into logistics. Of course when i mentioned boats he changed his tune and said i might be able to - he said he's ask anyway...then he tried to railroad me into logistics again.

I'm not 100 percent sure but I believe that both Logistics and Weapon Engineering (SM) officers must meet the same eyesight requirements as X(SM) due to the fact they also carry out periscope watchkeeping.

Sorry to disappoint, but if you don't meet the standard for warfare GS or SM then I reckon you've no chance as a Logs(SM)

It's not all bad being a loggie I would imagine, yes not really that many sea jobs but there's loads of officer jobs (common appointments) that can be filled by any branch.

Good luck with whatever route you follow

To be fair the guys adamant that i can join the submarine service as a Loggie and he's already told me i will get to do watches if i do. Using the periscope wouldn't be a problem since i'm short sighted and the periscope tends to be not far away from your face! :grin: I believe it's bridge watchkeeping duties on top that makes WO a no-no for me.
 

Karma

War Hero
The issue with Loggie submariners is that you only really do a couple of SM jobs.

As with any branch there are good and bad opportunities out there, plenty of chance to do some entertaining things as a Loggie, if you accept that it'll probably cap your promotion prospects.
 

ml2sjw

Badgeman
Well i think that the high eyesight requirement has more to do with accurately working with screens and other displays its why you need better colour vision than for the surface warfare roll.

As for just wearing your glasses, they have to account for the fact that you may end up without them somehow. Eg. getting them broken at the start of a vanguard missile patrol leaving you unable to do everything you need to for the final 2 months of the patrol

Frustrating I know but standards like this are created for a specific reason not for the hell of it, particularly with shortage of submarine officers. But then its far easier to be philosophical when you meet the standards
 

fails_as_is

Lantern Swinger
Book Reviewer
As a SM pusser, you will be expected to push the periscope round as much as the X and WE officers when on watch. Hence the reason for the Standard III eyesight rules. You won't be doing the Logs SM job as a first job straight out of training either, normal route will be to go to a Ship, Air Squadron or Dockyard job first, to cut your teeth as a baby pusser. From there you'll do OTC (submarine systems), basic warfare (for the periscope watchkeeping) and Nuclear General Course (cos you are responsible for Nuclear Safety as advised by the duty Engineer, when Officer of the Day). Having said that, SM pussers only do one job on a boat, but it is a good one to have under your belt, since it's a huge responsibility in a relatively junior post.

Unfortunately it seems that despite the shortage of XSM Officers, the system still requires Level V eyesight.
 

The_Sherminator

Midshipman
ml2sjw said:
Well i think that the high eyesight requirement has more to do with accurately working with screens and other displays its why you need better colour vision than for the surface warfare roll.
This might sound ridiculous but apart from being short-sighted my eyes are perfect! :lol: What i mean is opticians do a load of tests other than the standard 'Can you read the Snellen chart' and i'm absolutely perfect on everything else (colour perception etc)...i just can't see that well :grin:

ml2sjw said:
As for just wearing your glasses, they have to account for the fact that you may end up without them somehow. Eg. getting them broken at the start of a vanguard missile patrol leaving you unable to do everything you need to for the final 2 months of the patrol

Frustrating I know but standards like this are created for a specific reason not for the hell of it, particularly with shortage of submarine officers. But then its far easier to be philosophical when you meet the standards

And that almost sounds reasonable doesn't it...until you consider that i can become a Royal Marine with SIII! :shock: If my glasses were to get damaged on tour then i'd have the combat effectiveness of a Lockheed Blackbird! :grin:

For the record i respect the rules of the service even if i think they're ridiculous in this case. It's not Alton Towers, you can't just go on what you want, i'll just have to make the best of what i've got, no point sulking about it. Thats life...

Thanks for all the info on SM Logisitics though. I know its a relatively short career on boats but hopefully it'd stand me in good stead when i left to do other Loggie jobs. Maybe once i'm in, if i provide some good service, I could get laser eye surgery and work something out? If not i'll just have to find a girlfriend to spend time with in my shore assignments. :cool: Who knows, i never count myself out of anything as a rule...
 
Dont kid yourself sherminator, I doubt very much if you will be excepted as a Royal marine without perfect eyesight, we use bayonets not white sticks, please go down the recruiting office and correct me, I admire your spirit and would love to stand corrected.
 
Re: Why would i need good eyesight for the Submarine Service

If you really want WO then how about having laser correction? you have to wait a year before applying again I believe.

From my OHs experience at Raleigh dont go in to a branch your not keen on - he his class a few did because of eye sight and asuch - most have now gone they didnt make it through the trade training as it wasnt what there heart was set on.

But somethings we cant have are 1st choice so you may just have to accept it.

Sharon
 

snorko

Lantern Swinger
Sherminator, having done the job of a Submarine Loggie if your eyesight is worse than -3 in each eye you will be fack all use as a submarine pusser as that is about the limit to which the periscope will easily adjust. And even if your eyesight is marginally better than that you will still have issues at dusk and night.

As a submarine pusser you will work F'in hard. You will be on watch in the control room as much as the Dabbers, and at the same time you will have responsibility for all the food on board - which can be fun!, and most importantly the whole logistics function - which means blazing rows with the MEO, the XO and the WEO on a regualr basis. Its a job with lots of responsibility and is quite cerebral. some people like it, some hate it. If you do go for it, just take solace from the fact the pussers have the highest average AIB score after bootie officers. Dabbers are a lot lower down the food chain!

If you want to be an officer and don't have an engineering degree then pusser is mostprobably your best option. You will have a much greater choice of postings - none of that being at sea your whole life crap - which if you ask most warfare officers is crap. Also there are more foriegn postings and more joint postings as a pusser and if you really want to you can get your green lid etc..... However you will not go to sea as much.

You will also end up shining your arse more than a dabber.
 

SELJUK

War Hero
The supply Officer on Swiftsure (Princess Leah) during the eighties wore 'specs but then he never got to be a bridge watchkeeping officer. I've known one or two captains who wore 'specs as well.
 

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