Why, why, why?

#21
nutty_bag said:
letthecatoutofthebag said:
nutty_bag said:
letthecatoutofthebag said:
I may be missing (some of) the point but...

Yes, its wrong for people to mix rigs, but these days we are suposed to encourage wearing uniform in public to raise our profile etc. I always wear rig whilst walking to work and I am not the only one - when walking past the Hard I see at least a dozen or so people coming off the Gosport ferry in rig too.

WRT PERSEC, it is a personal choice. You don't have to wear uniform in public if you feel uncomfortable, but you're not a "numpty" if you do.
Sorry to say it but more fool you mate!! In light of the current climate i wouldn't be wearing any rig whatsoever and would be growing my hair out if i could get away with it!! Mind you it used to fasionable for bootnecks to wear D.B's (desert boots) so i maybe a tad hypocritical. Having said that, i would be even more paranoid about my PERSEC now than when i was a bootneck in the early 1990's. Finally. Q. Do you honestly think that the senior service needs to raise it's profile??
Firstly, the services themselves are not directly at threat from al-Quaeda. Given the type of profile today's terrorists are targetting they are highly unlikely to target individual servicemen. They are much more likely to target civilians on a mass scale.

Secondly, Their Lordships are actively encoraging us all to wear uniform ashore at any and all available chances. The profile of the millitary as a whole is quite high, but the public assume that every uniform they see in Basra or Hellmand is a pongo even if they have hooks or are wearing green berets. No offence intended but, if you think the RN has a high profile, you are the mistaken one. The public as a whole have no idea what we do - they don't even know we have aircraft. I even saw the results of a poll somewhere that people realised we had submarines but they didn't know that the RN operated them - they thought were a fourth arm of the services.

Like I said, its what the individual feels comfirtable with - if you aren't then don't.
Thanks for that. However aren't there AQT cells in Iraq and Afghanistan actively attacking "British forces" as a whole pongo, Matelot, crab, Bootneck (as seen yeasterday R.I.P) I agree that this isn't happening to individual servicemen/women but it has been seen that AQT are an organisation that can evolve to suit themselves. What is there to say that they wont change their tactics?? Why give them the advantage by showing your hand to them, not changing your routines and at a place of their choosing they can attack both civvies and forces personnel with maximum impact.

Both good points and LTCOOTB I understand where your coming from about raising public awareness. As a body of men (and women :wink:) this is very important, but what Nutty_Bag is talking about is an individual Booty/Sailor/Ponco/Crab, on the bus/train or walking to their unit in full rig. This is bad drills.

I remember a cadet getting his hand blown off at Whitecity? TA Centre in London. Its a 4 Para detatchment and PIRA had planted a IED disgused as an issue right angled torch in the hope they would take out a Tom. Some poor fckn cadet called Stephen Meaney I think, picked it up instead and it blew his hand off - It also made him blind. Not intended for a big, high ranking target mate - just a sickner to hit the morale. Remember PIRA might be out ot the picture, but AQT are most definitely not.

A change in tactics yesterday resluted in 4 British deaths and the same injured. Why wont they change their tactics and start attacking us on our own soil, like what PIRA have done in the past? This aint a Bond movie, but en-route to your detachment check under your car, change your routine and carry out anti-surveillance drills. I might just save your life mucks cause these bstrds don’t play by the rules.

Spenny
 
#22
Spenny
RE your last, i remember that incident, fucking sickener that one was. I take it that you too are a londoner then?? It's the same tactics that are tried and tested in Armagh et al. What a jolly fucking place that is. LTCOOTB we are agreeing to disagree but i can't get my head around it having seen body parts strewn across roads and ribcages in trees after a VCP was attacked!! The hierachy aren't out there shoveling the remains into body bags i can tell you!! Shit rolls down hill!!
 
#24
nutty_bag said:
Spenny
RE your last, i remember that incident, fucking sickener that one was. I take it that you too are a londoner then?? It's the same tactics that are tried and tested in Armagh et al. What a jolly fucking place that is. LTCOOTB we are agreeing to disagree but i can't get my head around it having seen body parts strewn across roads and ribcages in trees after a VCP was attacked!! The hierachy aren't out there shoveling the remains into body bags i can tell you!! Shit rolls down hill!!
Nutty_bag

Bonnie Scotland mate, but Im a geographical slut :D

It will take an attack on one of our own to change opinion on this - fact of life.



Skanza

Probably right mate and by the looks of it the Superwalt express just rolled into Edinburgh!!
 
#25
Ach aye the nooooooooo!!
Sorry being immature then!! there have been numerous attacks on our own but as i said, i cant get my head around the fact that our friend et al are walking around in rig. I accept that the threat from the provos has deminished but the UK have many other enemies that will be happy to score hits on our service personnel and will most probably change their tactics in future do carry out such act. As i said it's not until you see body parts that you realise how vulnerable you actually are. It's the smell i couldn't get over.
 
#27
Hope you dont have to.
It has however stood me in good stead with my new occupation as a medic. Usually when i should be stemming bloodflow, i'm found peering into the said wound looking at the adipose tissue and the fragmented bone with sadistic interest. I maybe sad but i always carry a FFD with me in my Fluorescent jacket for just such an occasion. I rarely get jobs like these and dont really thrive on peoples pain unless it's self-inflicted!! Had a murder nd a hanging recently so lifes not that dull!! Mind you i've seriously considered re-enlisting of late to use my medic skills but unfortunately i cant for at least two years. ho hum!!
 
#28
It will only take one incident to change the policy of wearing rig ashore as much as possible, and then it will be back to the dark old days of don’t wear your uniform ashore.
 
#29
spenny said:
Right, this is getting feckn ridiculous!!!


Saturday - 1500hrs - Pentlans Hills, Edinburgh. (The Pentlands is partly a Military Training Area next to Dreghorn barracks)

Im out with the dog yomping as part of my training schedule - Its absolutely freezing cold, strong winds & pissing of rain and we are just rounding the bend at the first peak, heading towards Castlelaw Ranges. Two figures are in the distance walking downhill and approaching me, which I take for civvies (because I could see them a mile away). They start to get closer before the penny drops and then would you believe it, its Percy and his mate - bouncing down the hill wearing no less than standard DPM trousers, assault boots and a fuckin Dessie jacket!!!! A DESSIE JACKET, IN SCOTLAND DURING WINTER!!!!

Now call me crazy, but its freezing cold, raining and your on exercise in the field, so WHY would you wear a dessie jacket? ………………………....Oh it gets better!!! Both are wearing full CEFO and carrying SA80's with BFA's attached!!! Am, I missing something? They are on a field exercise, carrying weapons, BFA's would insinuate they are carrying out blank firing drills of some description and yet they are wearing dessie jackets. CAM AND CONCEALMENT MY ARRSE!!!!

What is going on with these people? Are they bragging that they are about to deploy on Ops, are just back from Ops or are they just arseholes who havent a clue? Perhaps they are Super Walts and they were carrying airsort SA80's? 8O 8O 8O


Spenny
Maybe they're playing enemy on an exercise???

There's a whole company at least on SPTA dressed exactly like that, driving round in Challys and other wagons, cammed up in green and desert yellow SO THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE BRITS.

They probably like wearing dessies in the winter about as much as you like looking at it.

No excuse for walking round town without a beret on, though :evil:
 
#30
Reference the lads in the field mate, thats a good point. Something I never though about.
However when playing enemy, why not wear the issue fleece, a snugpack or buffalo, with a shemagh round your suede? You stand out like a spare prick at a whores wedding in the field wearing dessie kit.

Royal carried out some pre-Afghanistan deployment training, where lads played the enemy in arab robes and shamaghs. Made things very realistic (see Globe and Laurel for pics)

As for the cnut in town with mixed rig and no beret on I agree 100%. Bad drills :evil:
 
#31
Couldn't use a shemagh to look like the enemy, 'cos then people would think that the only people we expect to fight are Muslims in hot countries, and that wouldn't be very PC now, would it?
 

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