Have a look at this video and then tell me we need more Astutes.
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whitemouse said:The trouble is going to be rataining the personnel, or even recruiting, to man them (if Brown ever allows the money to purchase extra hulls)and with all the garbage coming from the MoD civs about reduction of personnel for 'the modern .....' etc etc, how long will it be before we are a totally defenceless nation ?
Skunkmiester said:You do realise that if you buy a German Submarine then other submarines won't let you out at T-junctions and you'll forget how to indicate.
Always_a_Civvy said:With that many we could have our first all wo-manned crew :wink:
exploding_blancmange said:Always_a_Civvy said:With that many we could have our first all wo-manned crew :wink:
That would make "The Crimson Tide" a reality :lol:
Nutty said:exploding_blancmange said:Always_a_Civvy said:With that many we could have our first all wo-manned crew :wink:
That would make "The Crimson Tide" a reality :lol:
XE-Milkystuff
Unlike most on this forum I have no problem with birds in boats, be they single sex crews or mixed. In the case of a mixed crew they would suffer a lack of privacy and poor hygine if we go back to D/E's. My problem is with ladies on surface ships. Especially in the Damage Control context, however they perform in the controlled simulators at Collingwood?. The instructors are hardly going to let them fail and do their own cushy number no good or the confidence of the trainees. Experience during WW11 clearly showed that good DC practice saved many ships and upper body strength is without doubt required to prevent further flooding and shut doors/hatches or valves is a must. Save the ship, save lives.
On boats if any one compartment floods to any extent you sink, ladies can do all the other jobs.
Hence
Girls of Boats Yes
Girls on Targets No
Nutty
Nutty said:Especially in the Damage Control context, however they perform in the controlled simulators at Collingwood?. The instructors are hardly going to let them fail and do their own cushy number no good or the confidence of the trainees.
Maxi_77 said:Nutty said:exploding_blancmange said:Always_a_Civvy said:With that many we could have our first all wo-manned crew :wink:
That would make "The Crimson Tide" a reality :lol:
XE-Milkystuff
Unlike most on this forum I have no problem with birds in boats, be they single sex crews or mixed. In the case of a mixed crew they would suffer a lack of privacy and poor hygiene if we go back to D/E's. My problem is with ladies on surface ships. Especially in the Damage Control context, however they perform in the controlled simulators at Collingwood?. The instructors are hardly going to let them fail and do their own cushy number no good or the confidence of the trainees. Experience during WW11 clearly showed that good DC practice saved many ships and upper body strength is without doubt required to prevent further flooding and shut doors/hatches or valves is a must. Save the ship, save lives.
On boats if any one compartment floods to any extent you sink, ladies can do all the other jobs.
Hence
Girls of Boats Yes
Girls on Targets No
Nutty
Yet some women can outperform some men in upper body strength, far better to have sensible standards which are measurable and let all who pass whatever their sex join. The reason this is usually not done is that not enough of either sex will pass and you then end up with a recruiting problem. I suspect that in reality you would be quite happy if all in the crew were 'person' enough to do the job required.
Peter
Nutty said:Flag-Wagger. Unfortunately right across the field of Education, Training, Apprenticeships, Entry Tests standards have been lowered to allow the required amount of people to reach the standard required. Having read many postings on this board I have no reason to doubt that this also applies to Pusser.
Nutty said:To quote one incident i.e. HMS Nottingham and say that she was not jeopardized by any member of her female crew is rather immature ...
Nutty said:... and as I understand it a member of the bridge watch keeping staff was a female who failed to notice using the Captains words, "a 1 metre high wall of white water breaking over the reef up to 100 metres on my side of th ship as I walked to th bridge". Given to th Oz press in Sydney
Nutty said:Read up on WW11 DC operations, a daily event on both military and merchant ships and see how much long term effort and strength was used to save vessels. We will reap what we sew in DC terms if another full blooded surface war returns.