WHERE DOES ALL THE MONEY GO?

trehorn

War Hero
Here we go guys and girls.

A designated thread that you can post all of the stupid ways in which money is wasted in your unit and other even more stupid ways they then try to save money to compensate.

I'll start you off with this little pearler.

I turned up on the 518 course at Excellent last year thinking that i'd have to make new friends in order to keep my social life on the go while there.
To my suprise by the end of the first day i'd met up with a leading hand on my course, two AB's who were on a first aid course and two officers who were on a BSSC.

ALL WERE FROM MY UNIT, ALL OF US TURNED UP ON THE SAME DAY AND ALL WERE ISSUED WITH SEPERATE TRANSPORT, WHETHER IT BE TRAINS, HIRE CAR OR OWN CAR.

ALL WERE LEAVING ON THE SAME DAY TOO, ALL COULD HAVE BEEN PICKED UP IN A PEOPLE CARRIER AT THE UNIT OR EN ROUTE.

That said the chip PSI who booked it all is now outside.

I have a funny feeling this will be quite a popular thread!
 

McHammock

Lantern Swinger
Wings,
Instead of griping about wasting money, why not do something about it ???
That does sound like a major c*ck up & someone in your unit should be hung, drawn & quartered for it. Even if the PSI responsible has since left.
There should be procedures in place in every unit to sort this sort of sh1t out - there is in mine. It's not that difficult if us paddies can do it :lol:
 

trehorn

War Hero
Whenever a course is booked (most of us) make a point of asking anyone else if they want to attend the same course which does of course reduce the chances of this happening. However we are closely knit satalite unit which does make it easier.
There is now a database which is emailed out on a regular basis which confirms who is booked on what courses where and when which i assume is working at the minute, its certainly better than it used to be.

What do you suggest i do about the officers who book themselves seperate transport and hotels? Any suggestions (however sarcastic) would be very much appreciated.
 

Brains

Lantern Swinger
McHammock said:
Instead of griping about wasting money, why not do something about it ???

Hear, hear. Well said, McH! If half the people who mank on all the time put the effort into taking the initiative to improve things then we'd all be a lot happier.

And trehorn, don't you have any sense of loyalty to your Unit? Do something good about it, rather than airing your dirty laundry in public.

If you find a good solution, then tell us about it and see if you can help other Units too. We're all meant to be part of the same team.

Officers can't 'book themselves separate transport and hotels'. It all goes through the same process, unless anyone chooses to travel and stay at their own expense, which is pretty unlikely.

If you have a problem, then use the chain of command, starting with your DO. It sounds to me as if you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder about officers. They're part of the same team too and, at least in my Unit, most of them do a good job and put in at least as much effort as the ratings, given that they have to fit divisional management and any other Unit jobs in on top of everything else.

So, my suggestion, maybe a bit sarcastic, is that you sort out your attitude and start working with rather than against your fellow reservists and those who support them.
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
Brains said:
If half the people who mank on all the time put the effort into taking the initiative to improve things then we'd all be a lot happier.

And trehorn, don't you have any sense of loyalty to your Unit? Do something good about it, rather than airing your dirty laundry in public.

If you find a good solution, then tell us about it and see if you can help other Units too. We're all meant to be part of the same team.

Officers can't 'book themselves separate transport and hotels'.

Agreed, but its very much down to policy adopted by a unit's XO & Support Manager that will affect how an individual unit approaches travel bookings. At my unit, when people are attending national weekends at the lead school, e.g. Merwex at Colingrad, its expected that unit transport will be used. However, its typically only JRs who use the supplied transport, officers will invariably take their own transport and receive expenses.


Brains said:
It all goes through the same process, unless anyone chooses to travel and stay at their own expense, which is pretty unlikely.

I've travelled at my own expense on many occasions in order to give myself the flexibility in maximising my use of a training weekend and seeing my family. I had no porblem with this until my unit started insisting on my completing a C30 (or RNR equivalent) for each journey for "health & safety and insurance purposes" and then surprise, surprise, they refused to issue the C30 because service transport was available!


Brains said:
If you have a problem, then use the chain of command, starting with your DO. It sounds to me as if you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder about officers. They're part of the same team too and, at least in my Unit, most of them do a good job and put in at least as much effort as the ratings, given that they have to fit divisional management and any other Unit jobs in on top of everything else.

The problem in my experience is that its not a chain of command issue per se; travel policy is in the domain of the Support Manager, while training bookings are within the domain of the Permanent Staff. There are too many opportunities for gold lace to over-rule ratings and which can result in inequalities.

Brains said:
So, my suggestion, maybe a bit sarcastic, is that you sort out your attitude and start working with rather than against your fellow reservists and those who support them.

I'm sorry, the wardroom do get privileged treatment - its a fact of life. Sometimes this privileged treatment extends to travel - trehorn made a valid point which does not justify the sarcasm. In my experience, the problem is that the RNR still fails to recognise that its people are respsonsible adults - all too often ratings are treated like irresponsible idiots while officers are given far greater latitude. There is a disparity in how a member of the wardroom is treated when compared to the other messes and until we recognise that not only are we all part of the same team, but that we can all be responsible grown-ups then I think there are going to be problems of this nature.
 

Jim30

Lantern Swinger
Its all well and good to say how awful it is that officers use their own transport. Consider this though. From London you have a wide catchment area for personnel who may be going away for a weekend. The costs incurred to the RNR for the T&S to get them to the unit to get unit transport would almost certainly be greater than if they went from home / work to the weekend.
 

GCYZ

Lantern Swinger
FlagWagger said:
I'm sorry, the wardroom do get privileged treatment - its a fact of life. Sometimes this privileged treatment extends to travel - trehorn made a valid point which does not justify the sarcasm. In my experience, the problem is that the RNR still fails to recognise that its people are respsonsible adults - all too often ratings are treated like irresponsible idiots while officers are given far greater latitude. There is a disparity in how a member of the wardroom is treated when compared to the other messes and until we recognise that not only are we all part of the same team, but that we can all be responsible grown-ups then I think there are going to be problems of this nature.

FW, sorry to hear that this happens at your unit, it should not. There is no difference in method or standard of travel at my RU, be they Officer, SR or JR, all will travel together and it will be luck of the draw to see who gets the hire car chit. In fact in the RNR as a whole I cannot see how I as an Officer am any more privledged than a Senior Rate.

Back to the thread, Pusser does not seem to have caught on to the fact that cheap flights are available if they would only book well enough in advance. Quite often the cost of a flight to get me to Pompey will be twice the online price.
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
GCYZ said:
In fact in the RNR as a whole I cannot see how I as an Officer am any more privledged than a Senior Rate.

One glaring area of inequality that I have frequently encountered is that of accommodation at Collingwood with SRs getting worse accommodation than both officers and JRs.

GCYZ said:
Back to the thread, Pusser does not seem to have caught on to the fact that cheap flights are available if they would only book well enough in advance. Quite often the cost of a flight to get me to Pompey will be twice the online price.

Agreed - I used to be at Flying Fox a few years ago and we arranged to attend a "Fascomex" weekend at Faslane - the CWTR would not permit us to use cheap flights from Heathrow to Glasgow and insisted that we drive from Bristol to Faslane on the Friday evening in the unit tilley and then return on the Sunday evening. Unsurprisingly, everyone suddenly found reasons why they couldn't attend and the niether the travel nor training took place.
 

GCYZ

Lantern Swinger
FlagWagger said:
GCYZ said:
In fact in the RNR as a whole I cannot see how I as an Officer am any more privledged than a Senior Rate.

One glaring area of inequality that I have frequently encountered is that of accommodation at Collingwood with SRs getting worse accommodation than both officers and JRs.

Sadly I had heard that. Accomodation has not caught up with the expansion of Collingwood yet. You're welcome to stay in Nelson Wardroom however, DHSS doss houses are of a better standard :wink:
 

trehorn2

Lantern Swinger
Thanks for the support flag wagger.

I find it hard to understand exactly how i am supposed to do something about the officers getting privilages that ratings don't. Especially when its a PSI who was complaining about their privilages. If the PSI's dont like it but are unable to do anything about how is a little AB RNR supposed to make a difference.

Some people here have obviously never tried to do anything about in unit politics. Try it some time - its an experience you'll not repeat for a while.

You're made to feel as welcome as a fart in a phone box and the opportunities offered to you following you bringing the issue to their attention become distinctly limited.

Just because i am unhappy about the way that money is spent at my unit please do not assume that i am disloyal. I am no more disloyal than anyone else on here who has concerns about the way that the RNR is, in some areas at least, failing.

I do not appreciate being asked to deploy to afganistan or anywhere else while at the same time being told that i cannot attend training weekends due to budget being expended six months early.
 

Brains

Lantern Swinger
Roger that. I think I owe you an apology. Was having my very own moan at all the negativity that washes around here in Rum Ration, but better that and people get things off their chests than they vote with their feet, which none of us want.

I hadn't realised that there were such varying standards of treatment. Some separation is inevitable with the 3 messes, but maybe I'm fortunate not to have encountered the this to the extent some are talking about.

I completely apologise for the below-the-belt question on loyalty - obviously you wouldn't still be here and caring how things worked if you weren't loyal.

In my defence, I will say to flagwagger that sarcasm was invited in the original post, but my post reply may not have been the best thought-out response in the world.
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
Brains said:
In my defence, I will say to flagwagger that sarcasm was invited in the original post, but my post reply may not have been the best thought-out response in the world.

Sar-chasm: the gulf between what was requested and what was supplied? :) :) :)

FW Out
 

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