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What the f_ _k you talking about?

Rumrat

War Hero
whitemouse said:
I can see why it's now called a 'job' and not a 'career' - I must admit it confused me in some of the past newbie posts.

:?

Fully (heaviily ??) manned Leanders were supposed to be 265 (IIRC), but were manned by 243 Officers and seamen under the reduced manning standard, at least the Type 3 I served in was (Cherry B) in 69/71.
Dual tasks ? I served in the Gunbay during Action/Defence stations and sometimes in the Plotroom, as did other S&S, others of the Branch were in the Magazine/Shellroom, and even manned the Seacat.

:)

Yes I served in a Leander 67/69 (Aurora F10) but if now the seamen are not dual trainned how do they do it? If it took 250 odd of which at least a third were dual trainned, if each trade is now a seperate spec how is it done?
 
Like Rummers I have also had to do a fair bit of catching up since I left the Pusser and RR has helped.
No big deal, but the knowledge gap does widen with every additional year outside, so:.

1. It was bandied about as 'Britains Modern Navy' all those years ago, so how exactly can it present itself now? 'Ultra-Modern' or what?

If the nomenclature for the female rates is actually AB/LS (Able Seaman & Leading Seaman) then -

2 a. How on earth did that get past the Feminist/PC Brigades?

2 b. Has the RN laid itself wide open to future compensation claims for some poor traumatised lasses who suddenly decide that had been wrongly designated Able/Leading Sea MEN all along?

3. Finally, the RR population is a fair mix, but there seems to be a NIL input from any serving RN females (JR, SR, WO, WRoom) on this site, unless they are closet posters. So - Is this site too 'ripe' for them, are they warned off, all at ROMFT, or what?


Final Question (Every day still being a schoolday):

4. Are the pay rates for younger and older ratings on entry etc. all the same these days? (They were once graded and there was a considerable pay rise at the transition from 'Junior' to 'Adult' Rating.)


Just generally curious, but perhaps some of the wiser of you could please clarify these matters for one of the older brethren here. :oops:
 

tommo

War Hero
RR when i first joined i was an OM(AW) we did seamanship, gunnery, radar and we.

This time round they have seperated the we so no longer will i do that aspect.

We still multijob
 

bluevillain

Badgeman
I left in 86, but my son joined last year as a ETWE (WEM in old money).
I believe that the seaman spec apart from the obvious, do all what the old RO(T) branch used to do.
The old Ops branch evolved into the Operator Maintaners branch in the 90's. That was superceded by the warefare spec.
I signed on at 16 and half on a 9 year career engagement but left after 6 by putting in my 18 months notice.
Whoever said change is not good was probably onto something.
 

Guns

War Hero
Moderator
AB(Sea) - Do Seamanship, Tactical Comms (RO(T)), man guns (AB(M) or Seaman Gunners), clean stuff, Harbour Fire Party etc etc

ABWS (AB Warfare Specialist) - Look at the radar, Link, Sonar, EW stuff - ie AWT (RP or AB(R) in old money) EW (RO(W) in very old money) or UW (AB(S) or TAS), clean, do seamanship stuff, man guns (LPDs they did), fire party, chaff loading crews, Duty Watch, RF (Old IS Platoon but no putties).

AB(CIS) Comms RO(G), IS (yer right..... its all about networks and server admin sort of), clean stuff, seamanship upper deck (LPD they did), duty watch etc.

So you can see that despite the years AB's still clean stuff.

Hope that helps.
 

Rumrat

War Hero
Guns said:
AB(Sea) - Do Seamanship, Tactical Comms (RO(T)), man guns (AB(M) or Seaman Gunners), clean stuff, Harbour Fire Party etc etc

ABWS (AB Warfare Specialist) - Look at the radar, Link, Sonar, EW stuff - ie AWT (RP or AB(R) in old money) EW (RO(W) in very old money) or UW (AB(S) or TAS), clean, do seamanship stuff, man guns (LPDs they did), fire party, chaff loading crews, Duty Watch, RF (Old IS Platoon but no putties).

AB(CIS) Comms RO(G), IS (yer right..... its all about networks and server admin sort of), clean stuff, seamanship upper deck (LPD they did), duty watch etc.

So you can see that despite the years AB's still clean stuff.

Hope that helps.

Guns, Tommo Bluevillain, and all thanks very much its all helping to solve some of the mysteries that plauge me when I read this forum.
Its like a foreign navy to me and I suspect many more of the older bretheren. :oops:
 

jesse

War Hero
:cry: I asked the following on a post yonks ago. Got no answers so I'll try the bastards again. :twisted: Incoming ;- Are all ships now cafeteria messing?,is the station card still in operation, do you still clear lower deck for warrants for bad men;- are good things essence and bad things zob zob; are taxis still fast blacks or as P.C. put the mockers on it. :roll: Whilst on fcuking P.C. are gents of a certain sexual oreintation still Brown Hatters, do you still turn too to bogi e out the mess for Captains rounds, usually on a Sat a.m. before s.w.e leave. Are females still Parties. In my day smartly turned out in civvies was "Dead Debs" what is it today, 8) Do you still have Friday Whiles? Thats enough for now :cry: Reading Newbees is another planet to me :oops: Fcuk it I'm off down the boozer who,s joining me, my first round.:p
 

Guns

War Hero
Moderator
jesse said:
:cry: I asked the following on a post yonks ago. Got no answers so I'll try the bastards again. :twisted: Incoming ;- Are all ships now cafeteria messing? Yes,is the station card still in operation No, do you still clear lower deck for warrants for bad menYes;- are good things essence and bad things zob zobNo, well essence still in; are taxis still fast blacks or as P.C. put the mockers on it. Yep, fast black :roll: Whilst on fcuking P.C. are gents of a certain sexual oreintation still Brown Hatters,Nope do you still turn too to bogi e out the mess for Captains roundsYes but CO's rounds are normally a few times a year, usually on a Sat a.m. before s.w.e leaveIf we haven't got leave by 1200 on a Fri there would be a riot. Are females still Parties. NopeIn my day smartly turned out in civvies was "Dead Debs" what is it today, err dressed?8) Do you still have Friday Whiles? Nope Thats enough for now :cry: Reading Newbees is another planet to me :oops: Fcuk it I'm off down the boozer who,s joining me, my first round.:p
 

seafarer1939

War Hero
When i joined in '56 I was advised to go all out to be a leading seaman,working things out I figured I'd be demobbed after 11 years,the waiting list for a leading seaman then was, 14 years!
No wonder I ended up an AB GA2 although they did try to push me to do a GI's course 'cos I wasn't bad at parading classes and gunnery but I resisted.
Less time at Whale Island was a bonus for me,and most!
 
Rumrat said:
Right
I left the mob twenty odd years ago and so much as changed I think some of us old cunts need re educating.
I have struggled with RR threads sometimes as I feel like I'm learning a foreign language, along with all these fuckin new fangled abbreviations.

2DD has just had to be told in another thread what a newbie was talking about and if he had not of asked I would have thought he was talking about a pub.
So in this thread I am going to ask like a newbie what some of the patter fuckin means.
I just found out what PJFT means, and now I would like some other questions answered.
1/ What is the minimum time of service, and what age does your service start?
If you join at 16 what do you have to serve?
2/ What is the minimum for a pension?
3/Are there any "juniors" nowadays, and in the seaman branch is there still J/S, O/D, and A/B.
And what the flying fuck is this putting your notice in bollocks?

Bewildered of Tamworth (I think)

You mentioned pension?!!! Do you realise how lucky you would be to even be thinking about such a luxury?
 

Rumrat

War Hero
sussex2 said:
Rumrat said:
Right
I left the mob twenty odd years ago and so much as changed I think some of us old cunts need re educating.
I have struggled with RR threads sometimes as I feel like I'm learning a foreign language, along with all these fuckin new fangled abbreviations.

2DD has just had to be told in another thread what a newbie was talking about and if he had not of asked I would have thought he was talking about a pub.
So in this thread I am going to ask like a newbie what some of the patter fuckin means.
I just found out what PJFT means, and now I would like some other questions answered.
1/ What is the minimum time of service, and what age does your service start?
If you join at 16 what do you have to serve?
2/ What is the minimum for a pension?
3/Are there any "juniors" nowadays, and in the seaman branch is there still J/S, O/D, and A/B.
And what the flying fuck is this putting your notice in bollocks?

Bewildered of Tamworth (I think)

You mentioned pension?!!! Do you realise how lucky you would be to even be thinking about such a luxury?

Do I drop a bollock by saying I have one? Does that make me spoilt? :roll:

When I came out the Andrew, if you went into Gov service within two years, or rejoined and had no pension you could make it up.

Fire service, Police, Civil service......MP, or owt like that, and say you left with 18 years pusser 4 years in the aforementioned got you your pension.
Is it still the same?
 

Dicky

Lantern Swinger
Guns: Nice one mate, likewise I haven't got much of a clue as to the modern terminology being used in the RN. However, looking at it, it all seems to be computer speak anyway, and as such a total waste of time. lol...xxxx
 

Guns

War Hero
Moderator
Dicky - If you go down a mess deck today I think you would be pleasantly surprised how little it has changed. Well the physical obviously (TV's, Electrical lamps, not sleeping with the guns and no parrots on issues ;-) ) but the banter - even if you do not understand the phrases - is as sharp as before, the bonding and closeness of those thrown together helping people through tough times as well as the good and also much of the language is the same. There will be an old and bold, there will be the sprog, the fanny rat, the canteen cowboys (not called that but still spending the same amount of time in front of a mirror) and others. Don't believe the hype - the scary Chief is still there but now has to use his leadership skills to cajole people along instead of filling them in.

No tot, sorry, but god forbid any Chef that didn't do full fry up for breakfast. People may not smoke at work but still skive off for a standeasy and a wet in the mess.
 

Rumrat

War Hero
One thing that has amused me a little since I started this thread is some of the replies say that the old way was such and such back in the late 80's early 90's. That was the new way to me even then.
I woke up this morning feeling great, now I feel confused. 8O :? :D

Ah bollocks I've still got all my hair :twisted: :D
 

Rumrat

War Hero
Guns said:
Dicky - If you go down a mess deck today I think you would be pleasantly surprised how little it has changed. Well the physical obviously (TV's, Electrical lamps, not sleeping with the guns and no parrots on issues ;-) ) but the banter - even if you do not understand the phrases - is as sharp as before, the bonding and closeness of those thrown together helping people through tough times as well as the good and also much of the language is the same. There will be an old and bold, there will be the sprog, the fanny rat, the canteen cowboys (not called that but still spending the same amount of time in front of a mirror) and others. Don't believe the hype - the scary Chief is still there but now has to use his leadership skills to cajole people along instead of filling them in.

No tot, sorry, but god forbid any Chef that didn't do full fry up for breakfast. People may not smoke at work but still skive off for a standeasy and a wet in the mess.

I think it comes across from a lot of the blokes still serving that it aint a bad Navy, its just a hard to understand navy.
Although saying that I hear expression from some of the older hands to me on here, that were not in general issue when I was in.
Witsend made I laugh when he mentioned H&S when I was talking about striking guard rails before a shoot. Do they still do that?
 

Guns

War Hero
Moderator
Guardrails are still struck. Well if they need to be. Shot matts are laid. Shells brought up from Deep Mag to the Gunbay via a hoist and man handled to the RU lockers and then out of the container and on to the gun hoist/rail (you can load shells on to a carousel so you can control which shell is feed to the gun.
 
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