What is the point of the Wardroom in the RNR?

Jim30

Lantern Swinger
Ok, we’ve been far too civilised around here for some time now, so I’d like to open up a contentious debate. My question is, am I alone in attaching little value to the role of the wardroom in the RNR?

My situation is this – I am a member of a large mess, but choose not to participate in it, while others see great value in it. Personally I didn’t join the RNR to hang out in a wardroom and drink port with people I don’t particularly like. While I fully agree with the idea of supporting a wardroom on deployment, or during a course, I just see no point in pretending to have a wardroom lifestyle for 2 hours a week.

The reason I ask this is because I wonder what point wardroom life has in the RNR? My mess charges a lot of money to use a facility, which I frankly begrudge paying. I see the RNR as a job, and like my day job, I don’t want to socialise or go out with people on a Tuesday night. I come in, do my work and go, just as I do in the office. Listening to pompous fools wax lyrical about some obscure naval tradition or battle is of no interest to me at all – so why should I have to pay for a facility I don’t want to use? I’d quite happily sign a form saying that I’m opting out of wardroom life in unit. I don’t attend mess dinners for the same reason, pompous prats with treble chins and large bellies spouting all about tradition and the navy, and then never going anywhere near a real operation.

I’m not going on ops with the ships company amd I frankly detest many of the members of my mess and have no interest in doing anything social with them. I enjoy ops, I enjoy training and I enjoy the work – However, I wonder if I am the only person in the RNR who sees it as just a job and not a lifestyle?
 
One of the benefits you might gain from forcing your self to take part in the mess life of your unit is the abiltity to get on with those you do not like, some thing which is quite important if you ever have the misfortune to have to spend some time at sea on one of our grey war canoes. With you attitude you certainly would not survive in a black one.
 
O Dear Jim the loner !!!, its just not about being in a job, its about being part of a team, bonding, supporting each other, being there through thick and thin, because if you had to go into a grey canoe, guess what you have to be able to work with people, 24/7, even when not on watch !!!!!!!!
that means socialising/supporting each other together, as a team or mate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont think the service is for you, if you think like that !!!, why not try pulling your todger as a job, at least you will have a friend that likes you!! :twisted: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 

Uncle_Albert

War Hero
Have you actually asked if you can be excused wardroom subs on the grounds that you will never go into the wardroom (or presumably make use of anything else in unit to which the wardroom fund might contribute)? Or are you whinging here first?

Is this warming up into yet another claim that President is actually a socail club?
 

slim

War Hero
Well Jim lad. When you accepted the position you also accepted the obligations which went with it. One of them being mess fees. Even as a lowly PO I happily paid mess fees even though at times I rarely used the mess (other times I was a regular user). Either upper deck or lower deck we do not get to choose our colleagues but have to live with them. So the choice is yours put in or ship out.
 

Jim30

Lantern Swinger
Actually you misread me - I said I quite happily play with the mess while away, and when on course - its just Tuesday nights that I don't want to be involved with. I'm not interested in drinking with these people, but I can quite happily put up with them - I've done my fair share of embassy circuit drinkies to learn how to do that. Likewise on Ops I am a major social player (on the few times when I'm outside the office) and indeed my last leaving party was broken up midway due to the threat of rocket attack (and I had £100 behind the bar too - b*stards!)

What I don't agree with is playing in the mess, we're not a formed ships company ala MCM10 days. We don't go to war together and I don't want to socialise with them. I've tried it on plenty of occasions and found myself either bored silly or cringing in embarrassment at the "when I were a lad" soliloquies on offer. Mess life in unit is an irrelevance to me, so why should I do it? No chance of being excused fees either, sadly.
 
I would prefer a single mess for the entire ships company at RNR units, would save space and organising of three separate infrastructure.
 
Jim30 said:
Actually you misread me - I said I quite happily play with the mess while away, and when on course - its just Tuesday nights that I don't want to be involved with. I'm not interested in drinking with these people, but I can quite happily put up with them - I've done my fair share of embassy circuit drinkies to learn how to do that. Likewise on Ops I am a major social player (on the few times when I'm outside the office) and indeed my last leaving party was broken up midway due to the threat of rocket attack (and I had £100 behind the bar too - b*stards!)

What I don't agree with is playing in the mess, we're not a formed ships company ala MCM10 days. We don't go to war together and I don't want to socialise with them. I've tried it on plenty of occasions and found myself either bored silly or cringing in embarrassment at the "when I were a lad" soliloquies on offer. Mess life in unit is an irrelevance to me, so why should I do it? No chance of being excused fees either, sadly.

No we don't misread you, in the mob you have to live with all, not just those you choose. I fear you are on your own on this, in perhaps in more ways than one.
 

slim

War Hero
phil1972 said:
I would prefer a single mess for the entire ships company at RNR units, would save space and organising of three separate infrastructure.

This does not reflect life in the RN, which is what the RNR is supposed be training for. Mixed messing breeds familiarity.
I am an ex PO not officer but have seen the effects of too much familiarity between Ranks & Rates(junior & senior). The messdeck system reinforces the command structure.
 

Uncle_Albert

War Hero
phil1972 said:
I would prefer a single mess for the entire ships company at RNR units, would save space and organising of three separate infrastructure.

A surprising amount of wheels get greased and work gets done when matelots can speak freely amongst their peers in their mess.
 
Maxi_77 said:
Jim30 said:
Actually you misread me - I said I quite happily play with the mess while away, and when on course - its just Tuesday nights that I don't want to be involved with. I'm not interested in drinking with these people, but I can quite happily put up with them - I've done my fair share of embassy circuit drinkies to learn how to do that. Likewise on Ops I am a major social player (on the few times when I'm outside the office) and indeed my last leaving party was broken up midway due to the threat of rocket attack (and I had £100 behind the bar too - b*stards!)

What I don't agree with is playing in the mess, we're not a formed ships company ala MCM10 days. We don't go to war together and I don't want to socialise with them. I've tried it on plenty of occasions and found myself either bored silly or cringing in embarrassment at the "when I were a lad" soliloquies on offer. Mess life in unit is an irrelevance to me, so why should I do it? No chance of being excused fees either, sadly.

No we don't misread you, in the mob you have to live with all, not just those you choose. I fear you are on your own on this, in perhaps in more ways than one.

Here here. :grin: , I will work with anyone and do my utmost to get on with them, as my belief is that , I have joined a service to work and poss live with people who are like minded in the same beliefs.
 
Well UA and Slim I will bow to your greater knowledge on this one but it just ain't working at my Unit. Maybe when the RNR allows me to sample RN life it will get to understand. I was just trying to point out that Jim30 is not alone in feeling that the messes in the RNR do not always work to the benefit of their mess members.
 

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