"Well Said"

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  1. Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday
    to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to
    head off potential terror attacks.

    A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to
    Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John
    Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a

    Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that
    some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not
    accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by
    parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which
    has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he
    said on national television.

    "I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws
    governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another the
    Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law,
    independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the
    opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then,
    that's a better option", Costello said.

    Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said
    those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other
    country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that
    Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off.

    Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want to
    live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can
    basically clear off", he said.

    Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying
    he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques Quote:
    of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or
    their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced
    a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."

    "However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
    'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that
    our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do
    I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to
    Australia "

    "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our
    country, and apparently some born here, need to understand."

    "This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only
    to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we
    have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own

    "This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials
    and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom""We
    speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
    Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of
    our society, Learn the language!"

    "Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right;
    wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on
    Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
    documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our
    schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of
    the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."

    "We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is
    that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with

    "If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like 'A Fair Go', then
    you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We
    are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really
    don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep
    your culture, but do not force it on others."

    "This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you
    every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining,
    whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs,
    or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other
    great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

    "If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here.
    You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

    Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, British citizens will find
    the backbone to start speaking and voting the same truths!!

  2. Crikey! give him TB's job instead of brown. I love him!
  3. What providence has this article got? Where did it come from? What paper/TV/radio published/transmitted it?

    Did he really say these things?

    Be nice if it was true..............
  4. I have some sympathy with this viewpoint, however I believe that it goes too far. The danger is that the dominant culture will seek toi impose its norms on those who have been Australian/British citizens all their lives and cannot conform because they are disabled, black or gay - and end up being told to stop being disabled, gay or black or leave the country for somewhere else!

    However having just said this I do think that it is reasonable to ask those who emigrate to a country, any country, to accept and teach one's children the norms of that society: in Britain we are talking about democracy, a secular legal system, tolerance for others who disagree with you and free speech. Denmark require all immigrants to speak Danish to an acceptable degree: so should we. It should be the minimum condition for citizenship, as should support for the semi-secular state we have, democracy and free speech. Those who cannot accept these values should seek citizenship in a nation which conforms to their ideological values and not seek to impose their norms on the host society. This is a lesson ALL religious and political fundimentalists ought to understand! The law should provide for all to be treated fairly and equally with no special ideological opt outs for those who have chosen religious values over say secular or political values.

    We could also do with a law prohibiting all group defamation according to scientific norms. Those who criminally demame a group to promote hatred against a group should automatically face prosecution.
  5. You're being a bit silly now steve, As far as i am aware, gay and black people are not trying to impose their way of life on everyone, neither are they blowing up civillians in the interest of furthering their beliefs or cause.

    And you've done it again, made reference to gay people, in a topic that makes no reference to them in it's intitial posting. On a bit of a crusade are we.... :roll: :wink:
  6. FlagWagger

    FlagWagger Book Reviewer

    But who defines the science - didn't a certain Herr Hitler have a number of tame scientists that used the term "eugenics" as justification for mass murder? Science can be objective, but it can also be manipulated to give you the answer that you're looking for. Be careful what you ask for, you might not like the ultimate conclusion!
  7. Well said. AAC, why do you ALWAYS have to come out with gay references to everything? Please give it a rest as you are becoming very boring now. :roll:

    Rant off.
  8. Free speech and all but I'm locking this until further notice.

    Unlocked...............be good

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