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"Well Said"

Ex_Matelot

Midshipman
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday
to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to
head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to
Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John
Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a
crackdown.

Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that
some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not
accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by
parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which
has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he
said on national television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws
governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another the
Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law,
independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the
opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then,
that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said
those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other
country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that
Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off.


Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want to
live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can
basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying
he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques Quote:
"IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired
of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or
their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced
a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that
our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do
I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to
Australia "

"However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our
country, and apparently some born here, need to understand."

"This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only
to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we
have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own
lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials
and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom""We
speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of
our society, Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right;
wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on
Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our
schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of
the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is
that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with
us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like 'A Fair Go', then
you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We
are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep
your culture, but do not force it on others."

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you
every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining,
whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs,
or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other
great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here.
You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, British citizens will find
the backbone to start speaking and voting the same truths!!

SEND THIS TO EVERYBODY YOU KNOW !
 
What providence has this article got? Where did it come from? What paper/TV/radio published/transmitted it?

Did he really say these things?

Be nice if it was true..............
 
I have some sympathy with this viewpoint, however I believe that it goes too far. The danger is that the dominant culture will seek toi impose its norms on those who have been Australian/British citizens all their lives and cannot conform because they are disabled, black or gay - and end up being told to stop being disabled, gay or black or leave the country for somewhere else!

However having just said this I do think that it is reasonable to ask those who emigrate to a country, any country, to accept and teach one's children the norms of that society: in Britain we are talking about democracy, a secular legal system, tolerance for others who disagree with you and free speech. Denmark require all immigrants to speak Danish to an acceptable degree: so should we. It should be the minimum condition for citizenship, as should support for the semi-secular state we have, democracy and free speech. Those who cannot accept these values should seek citizenship in a nation which conforms to their ideological values and not seek to impose their norms on the host society. This is a lesson ALL religious and political fundimentalists ought to understand! The law should provide for all to be treated fairly and equally with no special ideological opt outs for those who have chosen religious values over say secular or political values.

We could also do with a law prohibiting all group defamation according to scientific norms. Those who criminally demame a group to promote hatred against a group should automatically face prosecution.
 
Always_a_Civvy said:
I have some sympathy with this viewpoint, however I believe that it goes too far. The danger is that the dominant culture will seek toi impose its norms on those who have been Australian/British citizens all their lives and cannot conform because they are disabled, black or gay - and end up being told to stop being disabled, gay or black or leave the country for somewhere else!

However having just said this I do think that it is reasonable to ask those who emigrate to a country, any country, to accept and teach one's children the norms of that society: in Britain we are talking about democracy, a secular legal system, tolerance for others who disagree with you and free speech. Denmark require all immigrants to speak Danish to an acceptable degree: so should we. It should be the minimum condition for citizenship, as should support for the semi-secular state we have, democracy and free speech. Those who cannot accept these values should seek citizenship in a nation which conforms to their ideological values and not seek to impose their norms on the host society. This is a lesson ALL religious and political fundimentalists ought to understand! The law should provide for all to be treated fairly and equally with no special ideological opt outs for those who have chosen religious values over say secular or political values.

We could also do with a law prohibiting all group defamation according to scientific norms. Those who criminally demame a group to promote hatred against a group should automatically face prosecution.

You're being a bit silly now steve, As far as i am aware, gay and black people are not trying to impose their way of life on everyone, neither are they blowing up civillians in the interest of furthering their beliefs or cause.

And you've done it again, made reference to gay people, in a topic that makes no reference to them in it's intitial posting. On a bit of a crusade are we.... :roll: :wink:
 
Always_a_Civvy said:
We could also do with a law prohibiting all group defamation according to scientific norms. Those who criminally demame a group to promote hatred against a group should automatically face prosecution.

But who defines the science - didn't a certain Herr Hitler have a number of tame scientists that used the term "eugenics" as justification for mass murder? Science can be objective, but it can also be manipulated to give you the answer that you're looking for. Be careful what you ask for, you might not like the ultimate conclusion!
 
mazza_magoo said:
Always_a_Civvy said:
I have some sympathy with this viewpoint, however I believe that it goes too far. The danger is that the dominant culture will seek toi impose its norms on those who have been Australian/British citizens all their lives and cannot conform because they are disabled, black or gay - and end up being told to stop being disabled, gay or black or leave the country for somewhere else!

However having just said this I do think that it is reasonable to ask those who emigrate to a country, any country, to accept and teach one's children the norms of that society: in Britain we are talking about democracy, a secular legal system, tolerance for others who disagree with you and free speech. Denmark require all immigrants to speak Danish to an acceptable degree: so should we. It should be the minimum condition for citizenship, as should support for the semi-secular state we have, democracy and free speech. Those who cannot accept these values should seek citizenship in a nation which conforms to their ideological values and not seek to impose their norms on the host society. This is a lesson ALL religious and political fundimentalists ought to understand! The law should provide for all to be treated fairly and equally with no special ideological opt outs for those who have chosen religious values over say secular or political values.

We could also do with a law prohibiting all group defamation according to scientific norms. Those who criminally demame a group to promote hatred against a group should automatically face prosecution.

You're being a bit silly now steve, As far as i am aware, gay and black people are not trying to impose their way of life on everyone, neither are they blowing up civillians in the interest of furthering their beliefs or cause.

And you've done it again, made reference to gay people, in a topic that makes no reference to them in it's intitial posting. On a bit of a crusade are we.... :roll: :wink:

Well said. AAC, why do you ALWAYS have to come out with gay references to everything? Please give it a rest as you are becoming very boring now. :roll:

Rant off.
 
Free speech and all but I'm locking this until further notice.

Unlocked...............be good
 

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