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im am currently in college doing an EPQ (Extended Project Qualification), and my topic is Naval discipline, I have found lots of information about this but only up until 1938, if anyone has an information about naval discipline from 1940 onwards that would be greatly appreciated

many thanks



Lantern Swinger
if anyone has an information about naval discipline from 1940 onwards that would be greatly appreciated

I got done for being adrift a couple of times early 90's.

On one occasion I was so nervous I replaced my cap pointing backwards.

Hope that helps :)


War Hero
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I lifted my lid on one boat and accidentally punched out a light fitting, still got case dismissed though :)

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im am currently in college doing an EPQ (Extended Project Qualification), and my topic is Naval discipline, I have found lots of information about this but only up until 1938, if anyone has an information about naval discipline from 1940 onwards that would be greatly appreciated

many thanks

From my memory.
Open Arrest
Close Arrest
Stoppage of leave pay rum various combinations. Rum would also be stopped if you caught the boat up.
If the ship was under sailing orders, being adrift was an Aggravated Offence and punishment was doubled.
Each offence had a number. Number 10 was frequently mentioned.
Many profound changes made in 1957 Naval Discipline Act. Number 11 series of punishments for minor offences introduced.
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War Hero
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No 9's was/is a common one, now largely replaced by MAA's (Minor Administrative Actions) which means you don't have to go to the table for minor offences but you still get the shitty jobs to do out of working hours.

2nd Class for Conduct is worse than 9's and one down from going over the wall.

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Sentence of 'cuts' at Ganges boys training establishment, one member of my mess received this for theft.

St George

QR&AI (Queens Regulations & Admiralty Instructions ) was the Bible, If I remember rightly chapter 41 covered every minor offense with "was guilty of an act to the prejudice of good order and Naval discipline, in that he washed his socks in the Rum fanny. This gave rise to the statement from the Coxswain that If I walked from forward to aft I could always get somebody for something."


War Hero
Rather than start a new thread, slightly resurrected this one. Found this picture on the interweb - I've cropped it to save the blushes of the PO in it! Apt for now too seeing as it might be Easter soon! I suppose 'Bun Run' evolved from this?

Bun house.jpg


War Hero
Rather than start a new thread, slightly resurrected this one. Found this picture on the interweb - I've cropped it to save the blushes of the PO in it! Apt for now too seeing as it might be Easter soon! I suppose 'Bun Run' evolved from this?

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Interesting - 'The Widow's Son' are words from masonic ritual, I wonder if this pub was orginally a masonic meeting house as many inns were in t' olden days


War Hero
NB Some interesting input from this stoker fellow -
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I wonder whatever happened to him...? :WINK: WINK:
It is rumoured he dived into a vat of best bitter, hit his head on the bottom and drowned. His ghost can be heard in the brewery on some nights saying"where's me wheel spanner".


War Hero
^Don't know if a cowan or not but @soliel has drawn attention to this custom whenever it has received a bit of publicity:

NB Some interesting input from this stoker fellow -
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I wonder whatever happened to him...? :WINK: WINK:

During my last mental breakdown :(


War Hero
Found this on a FB site. Didn't know where else to post it. Very interesting - I knew nothing about this. Sad too that the 'traitors' that were Philby & Co had such an affect.


It was based in Kiel,Germany and active from 1949 to 1955.The British Baltic Fishery Protection Service (BBFPS) was a front organization of the British intelligence service MI6. It was founded in 1949 - ostensibly to monitor the fisheries within the maritime borders of the British occupation zone in the Baltic Sea as a part of the Royal Navy, but in reality to carry out covert operations in the Baltic region.
Operation Jungle was a program by the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) early in the Cold War from 1948 to 1955 for the clandestine insertion of intelligence and resistance agents into Poland and the Baltic states.
In the late 1940s MI6 established a special center in Chelsea, London, to train agents to be sent to the Baltic states. The operation was codenamed "Jungle" and led by Henry Carr, director of the Northern European Department of MI6, and Baltic section head Alexander McKibbin. The Estonian group was led by Alfons Rebane, who had also served as a Waffen-SS Standartenführer during Estonia's occupation by Nazi Germany, the Latvian group led by former Luftwaffe officer Rūdolfs Silarājs and the Lithuanian group led by history professor Stasys Žymantas.
The Gehlen Organization, an intelligence agency established by American occupation authorities in West Germany in 1946 and manned by former members of the Wehrmacht's Fremde Heere Ost (Foreign Armies East), also recruited agents from East European émigré organizations for the operations.The agents were transported under the cover of the "British Baltic Fishery Protection Service" (BBFPS), a cover organization launched from British-occupied Germany, using a converted former World War II E-boat. Royal Navy Commander Anthony Courtney had earlier been struck by the potential capabilities of former E-boat hulls, and John Harvey-Jones of the Naval Intelligence Division was put in charge of the project and discovered that the Royal Navy still had two E-boats, P5230 and P5208. They were sent to Portsmouth where one of them was modified to reduce its weight and increase its power. To preserve deniability, a former German E-boat captain, Hans-Helmut Klose, and a German crew from the German Mine Sweeping Administration were recruited to man the E-boat.
Agents were inserted into Saaremaa, Estonia, Užava and Ventspils, Latvia, Palanga, Lithuania and Ustka, Poland, typically via Bornholm, Denmark, where the final radio signal was given from London for the boats to enter the territorial waters claimed by the USSR. The boats proceeded to their destinations, typically several miles offshore, under cover of darkness and met with shore parties in dinghies' returning agents were received at some of these rendezvous.
The operation evolved into a number of phases. The first transport of agents occurred in May 1949, with six agents boarding the boat at Kiel. The vessel was manned by Klose and a German crew. The British officers on board, Lieutenant Commanders Harvey-Jones and Shaw, handed over the command of the boat to Swedish officers in Simrishamn, Southern Sweden. The German crew then proceeded via the cover of Öland Island, then east to Palanga, north of Klaipėda, arriving around 10:30pm. Within 300m of shore the six agents disembarked in a rubber dingy and made their way to shore. The boat returned to Gosport, picking up the British officers at Simrishamn and refueling at Borkum.
Following the success of the initial operation, MI6 followed up with several more improvised landings via rubber dingy. Two agents were landed at Ventspils on 1 November 1949; three agents landed south of Ventspils on April 12, 1950 and two agents in December at Palanga.
In late 1950, British Naval Intelligence and MI6 created a more permanent organisation with Klose hiring a crew of 14 sailors and basing the boat at Hamburg-Finkenwerder. The "British Baltic Fishery Protection Service" was thus invented as a credible cover story given the harassment of West German fishermen by the Soviets. The operation evolved with a secondary task of visual and electronic reconnaissance of the Baltic coast from Saaremaa in Estonia to Rügen in East Germany. For this purpose the boat was re-fitted with additional fuel tanks for extended range and an extensive antenna suite and American equipment for COMINT and ELINT. During this phase, four landings were performed between 1951 and 1952 with 16 agents inserted and five agents retrieved.
In August 1952, a second E-boat was put into service as a refuelling and supply vessel and consort for the SIGINT operations, under the command of Lieutenant E. G. Müller, a former executive officer who served under Klose during World War II. Eight Polish agents were inserted during this period using sea-borne balloons.
During the period 1954-55, three new German-built motorboats of the Silbermöwe class replaced the old E-boats.They were christened Silvergull (German name Silbermöwe, commanded by H. H. Klose), Stormgull (German name Sturmmöwe, commanded by E. G . Müller) and Wild Swan (German name Wildschwan, commanded by D. Ehrhardt).They were built at the Lürssen dockyard in Bremen-Vegesack for the West German Border Police, but under the pretense that the boats exceeded the speed allowed by the treaty of Potsdam, French and British authorities confiscated the vessels for Klose's missions. In February 1955, during a SIGINT sweep from Brüsterort to Liepāja, there was a 15-minute engagement off Klaipėda with a Soviet patrol boat; Ehrhardt's Wild Swan was fired on by the Soviets but the German boat slipped away at top speed.
The operation was severely compromised by Soviet counter-intelligence, primarily through information provided by the British "Cambridge Five". In the extensive counter-operation "Lursen-S" (named for Lürssen, the manufacturer of the E-boats), the NKVD/KGB captured or killed nearly every one of the 42 Baltic agents inserted into the field. Many of them were turned as double agents who infiltrated and significantly weakened the Baltic resistance.
One of the agents sent to Estonia and captured by the KGB, Mart Männik, wrote an autobiography A Tangled Web: A British Spy in Estonia, which was published after his death and has been translated into English. The book gives an account of his experiences throughout and after the unsuccessful operation.
MI6 suspended the operation in 1955 due to the increasing loss of agents and suspicions that the operation was compromised. The last mission was a landing on Saaremaa in April 1955.While the overall MI6 operation in Courland is regarded as a fiasco, Klose missions are considered successful, as far as the SIGINT and the naval aspects of his incursions are concerned.The motorboats were handed over to the new German Navy in 1956.

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