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  1. Welcome to Naval History, a forum I hope to get crash started in preparation for a suitably enthusiastic JJ to take over.

    This forum is about Naval History , from Alfred or previous, to the Falklands Campaign.

    Posts can be on any facet of Naval Operations between these times, and I hope to see discussions and photos on Ships, Historical Naval Air and my favourite period of Wooden Ships and Iron men.

    Please also include stuff on Naval Archaeology and Militaria is so desired, as well as personal photos etc if available.

    Don't think you have to be serving, or Ex-Andrew to contribute. There are some extrememly knowledgeable civilians out there, and I would welcome their presence to get this forum rolling.

    Best regards

  2. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    Can someone supply a list of modern rates for Pusser, its all changed since my time in the '60's when the elite of the fleet were called RO(G) etc. The RN like most organisations seems to have converted the English language to some sort of letter speak which means little to me, and I suspect a lot of other more mature (I steer clear of the Older word) a list of the more common ones and there meaning would be appreciated ie POLC, which I understand to be a leadership thing, but fitness tests are something that were never undertaken in my time, any help appreciated
  3. When I was a young lad, up to my eyes in muck and bullets,etc.... I was an Ordinary Signalman, then a Signalman. My immediate superior was a Leading Signalman and his was a Yeoman of Signals. The Chief Yeoman of Signals was one level from God and the man in charge was a Commissioned Communications Officer.

    I noted from the list of persons making up the Communications Departments of the 'Cleo' in 1967 that the world has been taken over by LRO(G)s, RO2(G)s, RO2(T), RS(W) etc.......

    What happened?

    It would be useful if an expert could relate the old ranks to the new and put them down on a piece of paper, then some of us old salts would know what's being said.

    Do RS(W)'s still get a pair of flags across their shoulders from the Yeoman if they speak out of turn or fail to see that flickering light calling us two micro seconds after he does? Are young RO2(W)'s still running up and down the dockside with four Fleet Signal Books under each arm or sneaking a quiet drag in the MSO? And what happens these days when you fumble a clip and the 'other end' snakes up the yardarm? It used to be a wet and hazardous climb but I expect these days it is a pat on the head and 'counselling.'

    Pray tell.
  4. I take it you're having a laugh? The Tels and Signalmen changed to ROs(General) and (Tactical) around 1959, joined by the (Warfare) sub-spec. The (W) sub-specialisation left the Communications Branch at some time just before 1980, to become the Seaman (EW) branch, part of the Ops Department, and their training moved to Dryad. Then in the 90s the remaining Comms branch became a more integral part of the Ops Branch, and added some maintenance to their jobs, becoming Operator/Maintainers, so the old RO(G) (your Telegraphist) became an OM(C) - Operator Maintainer (Comms). Training now takes place at Collingwood. This is where I lose the thread too, but never fear, another circle will soon be completed and they may well be called something new soon, like Telegraphists and Signalmen.

    As I understand it, there are now two identically trained Comms Senior Rates (PO Comms?) on a Frigate or Destroyer, one running the MCO and the other the flag deck.... but I'd be interested to hear a bit more about it.

    For a long time in the 60s, the training for JRO/RO3 was across the board, as an RO(U) (for 'Unclassified' or 'Unspecialised' I supposed), with sub-specialisation happening after the first sea draft, followed by 'subspec' training and RO2. Then they started training by subspec from the start, and now they're back on the same training for all.
  5. What ever happened to the RS(S)

  6. They became communications technicians (CT)......

    and they were trained at SCU Leydene (roughly located behind the drill shed in the now defunct Mercury) Mercury by the way looks very different now. The drill shed and the accomodation on the circular road are still there but very little else. North camp still has the wire fencing around it but no buildings. Fond memories on a cold foggy night in November 1971 (my first sighting of Mercury)

  7. Well they definately has JROs at G in 1959-60!

    Glad to see you're back with us Geoff after your journey from home to the colonies. I take it you managed to avoid the Ex-Royal Yachties Reception Committee that I understand were send out to meet you?

    Please pay a visit to ? sometime. Your alleged encounter with the Yachties is speculated upon here!. We need your input... We also have a new Shore bases sub-forum in the Naval history forum for specific dits about ships.
  8. Thanks for the info, my one and only visit to Mercury was on S/Lts courses back in 68 so I can remeber very little about the place.

  9. Ladies & Gentlemen

    for those of you who can receive satellite TV or Freeview i would like to draw your attention to a programme to be broadcast on The History Channel

    Today Thursday 27th July at 2100

    narrated by Prince Andrew

    The Royal Navy : the Sun Never Sets
  10. Amendment to my last posting; the time of the programme is 1800

    Ladies & Gentlemen

    for those of you who can receive satellite TV or Freeview i would like to draw your attention to a programme to be broadcast

    Today Thursday 27th July at 1800

    narrated by Prince Andrew

    The Royal Navy : the Sun Never Sets
  11. That is interesting. It also explains why the RNXS integrated the Comms Branch into the Ops Branch to create a hybrid Ops/Comms Branch and why I was trained in both Comms and Plotting in Port HQ (PHQ) Gravesend.
  12. Re: Welcome to Naval History - the demise of !

    Greetings All,

    Seen the news today ?

    The navy is going commercial - or appears to be.
    RN/RM logos are to be sold off to generate funds to keep the once might Navy going, because they (although 'they' will deny it of course...!) cannot get enough monies for recruitment.

    One more nail driven into the services coffin by a lacklustre, mean, self serving governing party.

    Never mind that the Communists saying that they will bury us - this government are doing a very good job !
  13. POLC is no more it is SRCC! (Senior rates command course)
  14. Learn something every day , when did that change then , ????????? , probably dozens more that we don't know about , all changed since the 60s , more like the 90s methinks :oops: :oops:
  15. I think only recently as I did POLC in, I think 1997.
  16. FlagWagger

    FlagWagger Book Reviewer

    I did my POLC in very early 1999 as a PO; I think it changed to Command Course when it was moved to Colingrad in about 2002-ish. Also, around this change was the requirement to undertake the Command Course before picking up your rate. In the old days, the LRLC was attended largley by killicks who required to complete the course for confirmation in rate, while the POLC was for POs or A/CPOs.

    Today, the SRCC is attended by killicks wanting their second hook and the LRCC is for ABs. For people currently in their rate who haven't got the necessary CC weighted off, there is the threat of reversion, or in the case of the RNR not being permitted to re-engage.

  17. Further to the above regarding the Communications Branch. I left the RN in 1994 and played a good part in the inauguration of the Warfare Development. This was the initial instigation of combining the Operations Branch with the Electrical Branch, in our case the ROs with the Greenies.

    Initially it was it began with New Entries, instead of joining as a RO, they joined at what was the new Comms Training School and Collingwood, Mercury having closed. This rank was the OM, and onced trained became the OM(C). Later those attending courses, such as what was the LRO(T) or LRO(G) Course, took the LOM(C), who learnt both aspects of the branch. It was some time before Senior Rates were implemented into the new system, thus still have a CY and RS onboard. Now fully implemented, most if not all ships will be of the OM(C) up to PO(C).

    Incidentally in the 1980s when the W sub branch moved to the Ops Seaman Branch, all were given the option to either go over to the Seaman Branch or revert to the G sub branch. Those of the earlier navy (60s) will know that the Ws worked in the MCO until exercises or for real scenarios.

    Regards, Chris
    EX CY (Not POCY or POC)

  18. No you were a POCY, suggest you check your pay statements of the time, it had PO on it not CY.

    Had this banter many many times and the pay statement stopped it every time.

  19. Not all the time mate. I can remember seeing pay chits with just RS or CY on them, as I do remember when the change came about, and the PO bit was added. All part of when we were inaugurated into the Ops Branch. Regardless of what Centurion, Scribes or anyone said we were, we were always RS and CY.

    We were never called PO or POCY/PORS, it was always RS/CY or Pots/Yeo or Yeoman.

    Regards, Chris
    Ex CY

  20. RS I can understand and I admit that once you are told what the TLAs mean it is a bit clearer.

    A quick question for you comms folk - where does the term Yeoman come from?

    There have been "yeomen farmers" and the TA used to be "The Yeomanry" (as if Fife and Forfar Yeomanry) which again I can understand as the TA recruited from the yeoman farming community.

    So, how come the Andrew has got Yeomen?


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