Welcome to Naval History

PartTimePongo

War Hero
Welcome to Naval History, a forum I hope to get crash started in preparation for a suitably enthusiastic JJ to take over.

This forum is about Naval History , from Alfred or previous, to the Falklands Campaign.

Posts can be on any facet of Naval Operations between these times, and I hope to see discussions and photos on Ships, Historical Naval Air and my favourite period of Wooden Ships and Iron men.

Please also include stuff on Naval Archaeology and Militaria is so desired, as well as personal photos etc if available.

Don't think you have to be serving, or Ex-Andrew to contribute. There are some extrememly knowledgeable civilians out there, and I would welcome their presence to get this forum rolling.

Best regards

PTP
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
Can someone supply a list of modern rates for Pusser, its all changed since my time in the '60's when the elite of the fleet were called RO(G) etc. The RN like most organisations seems to have converted the English language to some sort of letter speak which means little to me, and I suspect a lot of other more mature (I steer clear of the Older word) a list of the more common ones and there meaning would be appreciated ie POLC, which I understand to be a leadership thing, but fitness tests are something that were never undertaken in my time, any help appreciated
 

John854

Midshipman
When I was a young lad, up to my eyes in muck and bullets,etc.... I was an Ordinary Signalman, then a Signalman. My immediate superior was a Leading Signalman and his was a Yeoman of Signals. The Chief Yeoman of Signals was one level from God and the man in charge was a Commissioned Communications Officer.

I noted from the list of persons making up the Communications Departments of the 'Cleo' in 1967 that the world has been taken over by LRO(G)s, RO2(G)s, RO2(T), RS(W) etc.......

What happened?

It would be useful if an expert could relate the old ranks to the new and put them down on a piece of paper, then some of us old salts would know what's being said.

Do RS(W)'s still get a pair of flags across their shoulders from the Yeoman if they speak out of turn or fail to see that flickering light calling us two micro seconds after he does? Are young RO2(W)'s still running up and down the dockside with four Fleet Signal Books under each arm or sneaking a quiet drag in the MSO? And what happens these days when you fumble a clip and the 'other end' snakes up the yardarm? It used to be a wet and hazardous climb but I expect these days it is a pat on the head and 'counselling.'

Pray tell.
 

Geoff_Wessex

Lantern Swinger
John854 said:
When I was a young lad, up to my eyes in muck and bullets,etc.... I was an Ordinary Signalman, then a Signalman. My immediate superior was a Leading Signalman and his was a Yeoman of Signals. The Chief Yeoman of Signals was one level from God and the man in charge was a Commissioned Communications Officer.

I noted from the list of persons making up the Communications Departments of the 'Cleo' in 1967 that the world has been taken over by LRO(G)s, RO2(G)s, RO2(T), RS(W) etc.......

What happened?

It would be useful if an expert could relate the old ranks to the new and put them down on a piece of paper, then some of us old salts would know what's being said.

Do RS(W)'s still get a pair of flags across their shoulders from the Yeoman if they speak out of turn or fail to see that flickering light calling us two micro seconds after he does? Are young RO2(W)'s still running up and down the dockside with four Fleet Signal Books under each arm or sneaking a quiet drag in the MSO? And what happens these days when you fumble a clip and the 'other end' snakes up the yardarm? It used to be a wet and hazardous climb but I expect these days it is a pat on the head and 'counselling.'

Pray tell.

I take it you're having a laugh? The Tels and Signalmen changed to ROs(General) and (Tactical) around 1959, joined by the (Warfare) sub-spec. The (W) sub-specialisation left the Communications Branch at some time just before 1980, to become the Seaman (EW) branch, part of the Ops Department, and their training moved to Dryad. Then in the 90s the remaining Comms branch became a more integral part of the Ops Branch, and added some maintenance to their jobs, becoming Operator/Maintainers, so the old RO(G) (your Telegraphist) became an OM(C) - Operator Maintainer (Comms). Training now takes place at Collingwood. This is where I lose the thread too, but never fear, another circle will soon be completed and they may well be called something new soon, like Telegraphists and Signalmen.

As I understand it, there are now two identically trained Comms Senior Rates (PO Comms?) on a Frigate or Destroyer, one running the MCO and the other the flag deck.... but I'd be interested to hear a bit more about it.

For a long time in the 60s, the training for JRO/RO3 was across the board, as an RO(U) (for 'Unclassified' or 'Unspecialised' I supposed), with sub-specialisation happening after the first sea draft, followed by 'subspec' training and RO2. Then they started training by subspec from the start, and now they're back on the same training for all.
 

creakin

Badgeman
Maxi_77 said:
What ever happened to the RS(S)

Peter

They became communications technicians (CT)......

and they were trained at SCU Leydene (roughly located behind the drill shed in the now defunct Mercury) Mercury by the way looks very different now. The drill shed and the accomodation on the circular road are still there but very little else. North camp still has the wire fencing around it but no buildings. Fond memories on a cold foggy night in November 1971 (my first sighting of Mercury)

Creakin............
 
Well they definately has JROs at G in 1959-60!

Glad to see you're back with us Geoff after your journey from home to the colonies. I take it you managed to avoid the Ex-Royal Yachties Reception Committee that I understand were send out to meet you?

Please pay a visit to ? sometime. Your alleged encounter with the Yachties is speculated upon here!. We need your input... We also have a new Shore bases sub-forum in the Naval history forum for specific dits about ships.
 
creakin said:
Maxi_77 said:
What ever happened to the RS(S)

Peter

They became communications technicians (CT)......

and they were trained at SCU Leydene (roughly located behind the drill shed in the now defunct Mercury) Mercury by the way looks very different now. The drill shed and the accomodation on the circular road are still there but very little else. North camp still has the wire fencing around it but no buildings. Fond memories on a cold foggy night in November 1971 (my first sighting of Mercury)

Creakin............

Thanks for the info, my one and only visit to Mercury was on S/Lts courses back in 68 so I can remeber very little about the place.

Peter
 

jeeperz

Midshipman
Ladies & Gentlemen


for those of you who can receive satellite TV or Freeview i would like to draw your attention to a programme to be broadcast on The History Channel

Today Thursday 27th July at 2100

narrated by Prince Andrew

The Royal Navy : the Sun Never Sets
 

jeeperz

Midshipman
Amendment to my last posting; the time of the programme is 1800



Ladies & Gentlemen

for those of you who can receive satellite TV or Freeview i would like to draw your attention to a programme to be broadcast

Today Thursday 27th July at 1800

narrated by Prince Andrew

The Royal Navy : the Sun Never Sets
 
Geoff_Wessex said:
John854 said:
When I was a young lad, up to my eyes in muck and bullets,etc.... I was an Ordinary Signalman, then a Signalman. My immediate superior was a Leading Signalman and his was a Yeoman of Signals. The Chief Yeoman of Signals was one level from God and the man in charge was a Commissioned Communications Officer.

I noted from the list of persons making up the Communications Departments of the 'Cleo' in 1967 that the world has been taken over by LRO(G)s, RO2(G)s, RO2(T), RS(W) etc.......

What happened?

It would be useful if an expert could relate the old ranks to the new and put them down on a piece of paper, then some of us old salts would know what's being said.

Do RS(W)'s still get a pair of flags across their shoulders from the Yeoman if they speak out of turn or fail to see that flickering light calling us two micro seconds after he does? Are young RO2(W)'s still running up and down the dockside with four Fleet Signal Books under each arm or sneaking a quiet drag in the MSO? And what happens these days when you fumble a clip and the 'other end' snakes up the yardarm? It used to be a wet and hazardous climb but I expect these days it is a pat on the head and 'counselling.'

Pray tell.

I take it you're having a laugh? The Tels and Signalmen changed to ROs(General) and (Tactical) around 1959, joined by the (Warfare) sub-spec. The (W) sub-specialisation left the Communications Branch at some time just before 1980, to become the Seaman (EW) branch, part of the Ops Department, and their training moved to Dryad. Then in the 90s the remaining Comms branch became a more integral part of the Ops Branch, and added some maintenance to their jobs, becoming Operator/Maintainers, so the old RO(G) (your Telegraphist) became an OM(C) - Operator Maintainer (Comms). Training now takes place at Collingwood. This is where I lose the thread too, but never fear, another circle will soon be completed and they may well be called something new soon, like Telegraphists and Signalmen.

As I understand it, there are now two identically trained Comms Senior Rates (PO Comms?) on a Frigate or Destroyer, one running the MCO and the other the flag deck.... but I'd be interested to hear a bit more about it.

For a long time in the 60s, the training for JRO/RO3 was across the board, as an RO(U) (for 'Unclassified' or 'Unspecialised' I supposed), with sub-specialisation happening after the first sea draft, followed by 'subspec' training and RO2. Then they started training by subspec from the start, and now they're back on the same training for all.

That is interesting. It also explains why the RNXS integrated the Comms Branch into the Ops Branch to create a hybrid Ops/Comms Branch and why I was trained in both Comms and Plotting in Port HQ (PHQ) Gravesend.
 
Re: Welcome to Naval History - the demise of !

Greetings All,

Seen the news today ?

The navy is going commercial - or appears to be.
RN/RM logos are to be sold off to generate funds to keep the once might Navy going, because they (although 'they' will deny it of course...!) cannot get enough monies for recruitment.

One more nail driven into the services coffin by a lacklustre, mean, self serving governing party.
:x

Never mind that the Communists saying that they will bury us - this government are doing a very good job !
 
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