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WE REALLY, REALLY NEED TO RECRUIT.

alfred_the_great said:
Trehorn,
Bunnyjumper,

I'm not sure I understand your comment that higher echelons need us - FF/DD SPO enhancement has not been a FLEET directive, it was a ComMarRes idea.

both,

This is not to say you cannot add value to an RFA/STUFT etc, and I'm sure their Masters would be more than happy to have you on-board.

I don't want this to turn into a flame war, but having had first hand experience of what the GSSR SPO teams do, I am in some small way qualified to talk about this!

This is exactly my point. As far as ComMarRes is concerned this IS what the fleet want from the RNR. But you say not. So the point is the higher echelons are giving a totally different message to the actually working level fleet. I totally agree with you m8. You boys need to tell your bosses that they're talking bollux if that's what you think.

However, in terms of training us for RFA / STUFT, perhaps you guys should put your money where your mouth is and help us to become the dedicated professionals you think we're not - instead of complaining we're not up to the job........
 
alfred_the_great said:
I'm not sure I understand your comment that higher echelons need us - FF/DD SPO enhancement has not been a FLEET directive, it was a ComMarRes idea.

bunnyjumper said:
This is exactly my point. As far as ComMarRes is concerned this IS what the fleet want from the RNR.

My understanding is that GSSR was one option that the DNRES hierarchy were considering until a certain DSOT(R) let the genie out of the bottle and stated that it was policy. In order to preserve the niceties and dignity of rank (or some other crap) it was not possible to publically contradict a Commander and as such the RNR rumour mill took over and GSSR came into being.

I think for quite a while after GSSR came into being, there was confusion within FLEET as to what the role of GSSR would be, even indeed, who the functional employer would be. The original RNRTM which included Comms and MW streams to GSSR turned out to be aspiration rather than agreed policy and as a consequence the scope of the role has been diminished in recent times to become almost solely SPO.

bunnyjumper said:
However, in terms of training us for RFA / STUFT, perhaps you guys should put your money where your mouth is and help us to become the dedicated professionals you think we're not - instead of complaining we're not up to the job........

No matter how much support we may get from the front-line, the fact remains that the GSSR specialisation is, in marketing speak, not market-driven - it was an attempt to create a new market for the RNR. Until FLEET fully decide what they require of the GSSR (or the RNR in wider terms) and until the bright ideas department at West Battery starts actually listening to what FLEET actually rather than what they think, then there's going to be a disconnect between the RN and RNR :(
 
It would seem then that we in the RNR are still being fed bull shit then - is that what you're implying Flags?

Because if what you say is true, and fleet still don't have a role for us (which is NOT what we've been told), then there really is no future for the RNR, since GSSR is what they seem to be putting most of the resource into. Shall we all hand in our greens and stay at home then??
 
bunnyjumper said:
My understanding is that GSSR was one option that the DNRES hierarchy were considering until a certain DSOT(R) let the genie out of the bottle and stated that it was policy. In order to preserve the niceties and dignity of rank (or some other crap) it was not possible to publically contradict a Commander and as such the RNR rumour mill took over and GSSR came into being.

To get it right, he was SOT(R) not DSOT(R), there was no question of him going off half cocked and then having to be backed up to avoid embarrassment and GSSR was an attempt to salvage a role for the seagoers based on discussions with the various Functional Employers who recognised the gap with regard to FP on RFAs and 'STUFT/CRUFT' or whatever acronym they want to give chartered vessels nowadays.

It dovetailed with the concept of sponsored reserves who would be civvies, man ships like the ANVIL POINT et al during peacetime as normal merchant seamen but chop to become RNR in times of conflict when they would need SPO teams in support with the most likely weapons fit being little more than GPMG - which is pretty much what happened with all the Chartered vessels used in 2003.

The 'drift' onto pussers greys has been a very fortunate (in terms of experience for GSSR) side effect of TELIC and the added exposure that the RNR got Fleet-wide but it was never the original intention and the various comments about lack of experience on command weapons systems etc reflect the fact that this is a bit of a makeshift extension rather than a planned programme.
 
dubaipusser said:
bunnyjumper said:
My understanding is that GSSR was one option that the DNRES hierarchy were considering until a certain DSOT(R) let the genie out of the bottle and stated that it was policy. In order to preserve the niceties and dignity of rank (or some other crap) it was not possible to publically contradict a Commander and as such the RNR rumour mill took over and GSSR came into being.

To get it right, he was SOT(R) not DSOT(R), there was no question of him going off half cocked and then having to be backed up to avoid embarrassment and GSSR was an attempt to salvage a role for the seagoers based on discussions with the various Functional Employers who recognised the gap with regard to FP on RFAs and 'STUFT/CRUFT' or whatever acronym they want to give chartered vessels nowadays.

It dovetailed with the concept of sponsored reserves who would be civvies, man ships like the ANVIL POINT et al during peacetime as normal merchant seamen but chop to become RNR in times of conflict when they would need SPO teams in support with the most likely weapons fit being little more than GPMG - which is pretty much what happened with all the Chartered vessels used in 2003.

The 'drift' onto pussers greys has been a very fortunate (in terms of experience for GSSR) side effect of TELIC and the added exposure that the RNR got Fleet-wide but it was never the original intention and the various comments about lack of experience on command weapons systems etc reflect the fact that this is a bit of a makeshift extension rather than a planned programme.

Just for the record, those were FWs words not mine. Far too eloquent for me :D

However, this all comes down to the hierarchy decision making process again eh DB?
 
RNR were on a TV advert this evening on UKTV History during 'Map Man' with Nick Crane - five or so JRs from HMS Wildfire (telling us the virtues of energy saving lightbulbs I think)!

I just looked up as i was sorting out the dishwasher during the ad break and there was a guy in a Wildfire cap. I already use energy savers though.
 
Wasn't the 'Full Time/Part Time' recruitment campaign meant to start this month? From what I was told it's an enhanced version of the joint Army/TA campaign, the RN is advertised and the option is given to join full or part time.
 

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