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WE REALLY, REALLY NEED TO RECRUIT.

I reckon Trouble makes a very valid point - 'Fingers crossed they stay'. During my short time in the RNR I saw plenty of New Entries but very few stayed
It was sad to see people with potential who made an effort to get in on Drill Nights then faced with several hours of Death by Powerpoint and attempts to replicate the unpleasantness of Raleigh. (and what an enormous wasted opporunity the 2 weeks there are).

I would have thought those early weeks / months are the time to get people really interested and involved not wondering what they are doing folding things into A4.

There needs to be a recogniton that the NE's have a choice, if they are bored rigid at the beginning then there will be a high drop out rate before the RNR can really engage with the Recruit.
 
I think it is now time to do away with drill nights and attend for in-unit training weekends once a month. That way you would get your commitment in and also get some decent and undisturbed training in. Obviously we would also have to go away for weekend training and participation in planned events such as Special Reserve etc. When I take part in NW's (Old JMC) we are normally joined by USA reservists and they changed from weekly to monthly training a long time ago and they found that their attendance numbers increased significantly. In between the training weekends they could perhaps fit in AT to keeps peoples interest.
 
What branch are you OH? MTO have been doing this for a year or so now, or certainly at our unit. It is gradually spreading round the other units as they get their acts together.

I can say that it works well, we have got 4 people through their WPEs so far in Southern Region.
 
Old_Hand said:
I think it is now time to do away with drill nights and attend for in-unit training weekends once a month. That way you would get your commitment in and also get some decent and undisturbed training in. Obviously we would also have to go away for weekend training and participation in planned events such as Special Reserve etc. When I take part in NW's (Old JMC) we are normally joined by USA reservists and they changed from weekly to monthly training a long time ago and they found that their attendance numbers increased significantly. In between the training weekends they could perhaps fit in AT to keeps peoples interest.

Welcome back OH how was singers? did you pop in and see DOM?

MM
 
mazza_magoo said:
Old_Hand said:
I think it is now time to do away with drill nights and attend for in-unit training weekends once a month. That way you would get your commitment in and also get some decent and undisturbed training in. Obviously we would also have to go away for weekend training and participation in planned events such as Special Reserve etc. When I take part in NW's (Old JMC) we are normally joined by USA reservists and they changed from weekly to monthly training a long time ago and they found that their attendance numbers increased significantly. In between the training weekends they could perhaps fit in AT to keeps peoples interest.

Welcome back OH how was singers? did you pop in and see DOM?

MM

Went in the Blue Banana but Dom has gone mate. No one seemed to know where he is. Went Crazy horse a few times. Now theres a place and a half. Superb run.
 
Well,

I'ev seen the RNR's efforts at recruitment and retention second hand for the last 18 months, and frankly I'm not surprised you're haemorrhaging people. The way my fiancee has been treated makes my blood boil, and also makes me feel ashamed to be a regular.

She was as keen as mustard to join, and being a Nurse felt she had something "extra" to add. So she tried to contact our local RNR unit, first via the AFCO, which as people have pointed out, was frankly useless. In the end, I rang up a mate, who knew some-one in MarRes to get the number of the Recruiting Officer at aforementioned RNR unit. [At this point I'd like to say that I don't intend on naming the unit, as I've no desire to get my missus into shit] She goes down, and is told she can join, but it'll be a while before she can go to RALEIGH.

So I help her out, show her how to iron creases in the right place, and recognise a Chief from a Lt Cdr; stuff that should be covered in her Drill nights, but aren't - sometimes because the power-point wasn't working, sometimes because more important things are going on. But she keeps plugging away, consoled by the fact that when she's done at RALEIGH, she can join the QARNNS(R) and put some of her skills into use. After 8 months of NE training she goes to RALEIGH and does very well, it wasn't easy but she punched through (and I was chuffed to NAAFI breaks for her). She then set about getting into the QARNNS(R)...

Phonecall after phonecall was left un-returned, with vague promises to turn up at a drill night and it'd be sorted there. Nothing happens. Meanwhile she's asked to go for her AIB, and so starts the NE process again, this time as a JO. Apart from the fact as she's technically a JR, she can't attend JO training (apparently), and she'll have to wait for an AIB date. And as the QARNNS(R) haven't got back to her, she still stuck in NE, learning how to hold things into A4 size.

So 16 months into the RNR, she's been fucked around with, lied to and as a real kicker been told by her Sister that her job's in jeopardy because they can't afford to carry reservists. Is it any wonder that you lot are massively undermanned if that's how you treat people? If I treated a member of my Division in that manner, my CO would be hunting for my stripes.

Anyways, after much chatting between oursleves, I recommended with an extremely heavy heart that she leave the Reserves.

My question to you all is: was this unique and was she let down or is this typical of the way the RNR treats its NE? And what are you going to do about it?

Yours aye,

Al
 
alfred_the_great said:
My question to you all is: was this unique and was she let down or is this typical of the way the RNR treats its NE?

A bit surprised by this, TBH. Was there no joy with the Nurse Recruiting Officer? Also (unless I am mistaken) the unit in question has a healthy (or at least large) medical branch; I am surprised noone there could help.

As regards the ward, I sense the hand of MoDHU as most other NHS organisations are in the Employers' Scheme and statements like that might lead to SaBRE wanting a word...

APN
 
Old_Hand said:
I think it is now time to do away with drill nights and attend for in-unit training weekends once a month. That way you would get your commitment in and also get some decent and undisturbed training in. Obviously we would also have to go away for weekend training and participation in planned events such as Special Reserve etc. When I take part in NW's (Old JMC) we are normally joined by USA reservists and they changed from weekly to monthly training a long time ago and they found that their attendance numbers increased significantly. In between the training weekends they could perhaps fit in AT to keeps peoples interest.

This is what a lot of the non regiment RauxAF units do. It also permits them to recruit nationally, dispences with the need for a local centre and promotes integration with the regulars as they are training on RAF bases.
 
I can agree with most of the items mentioned. The AFCO's dont seem to understand that alot of people who want to join the RNR could quite easily be tempted into the RN but their first impressions are often from the AFCO and if they're not good they've got no chance.

We had two RM cadets in last night looking at joining, i always (unfortunatley) tell new entries that the first few months will be the most boring and unorganised time in the RNR. I urge them to see past the New entry stage and try to focus on getting through raleigh and doing the 518 and 547 courses. That way they get to attend the better weekends with the rest of us.
I realise that i can only speak from a GSSR point of view and this will be different in other branches and other units.

Our main problem at the minute is the NE officer who thinks he's admiral of the fleet, not bad for a subby. I've had numerous complaints from new entries about his attitude and conduct.
 
On another note - are any other units falling at the first hurdle; ie the AFCO?

We dont seem to be having trouble getting them through to door but alot are failing the fitness test and intellegence test.

Bearing in mind that this is one of the first thing they are expected to do when they join.

We're now introducing a pre-new entry class in order to give them a chance of passing the AfCO challenge.

PS. Not saying the AFCO'S at fault for this in any way, obviously there are standards to be met.
 
The recruiting problems are complex and covered by a number of the above posts. It does break down into number of key approaches.

1. What is the "offer" ie what does the RNR do and why? DECIDE!
2. Who do we want to join - just anyone with a pulse?
3. How is this targetted - you're right TV, Press and Poster Sites are needed - find the money and do it centrally.
4. Stop devolving the responsibility entirely down to individual units with veiled threats such as you will disappear if you don't recruit. That works wonders for morale - not!
5. Stop relying on RNRs themselves - uh hello we only work officially 2 hours per week!! I know we all do way more but there are permanent staff who now do not do the "i" in PSI anymore. This also means train/motivate/threaten the AFCOs to do their bit let alone the relatively large permanent staff at CMR.
6. In RNR units responsibility must be at the most senior level, not devolved to the nearest post FB subbie and the New Entry instructors. That means not just taking the title but doing the work of recruiting officer.

I'm embarrassed to read A-T-G's post. The RNR has worked hard to improve our image with the RN as responsible, worthwhile etc etc it blows our credibility with our Full time colleagues completely. Even though many of our problems are caused by the RN and its approach to the RNR, would we really want to encourage lots of Ex RN to join the RNR as it is at the moment?
 
letthecatoutofthebag said:
I propose the following:

1) Change the Current Branch Structure: If one looks at the RNR branch structure, with the exception of the Meida Ops, Medical and GSSR branches, one has to question what the bring to the RN's ORBAT.

The impetus in setting up the CIS specialisation in the RNR was to exploit the pool of civvy IT/IS skills that exist within the RNR and which, in many cases, are significantly stronger than in the RN. Unfortunately, the IS skills offered by Reservists are quite often strategic in nature, e.g. system/network planning and/or design, application management, etc. which in all honesty ratings would never get near in the RN. This means there's a significant gap between what the RNR could provide and what we're actually being asked to do. One of the problems is that of the RN not looking beyond the rate of an individual - how many people would trust a no-badge AB to set up and administer CIS services in support of a deployed operational Logistic unit? If you took off the uniform and looked at the same person as an IT consultant with 15 year experiences in doing this work you might have a different view.

I accept that the RNR has to change, however there needs to be a change in the RN's attitudes to us too!

letthecatoutofthebag said:
2) Recruit from the RN:

Agreed 100% - ex-RN bring a lot more to the RNR than just their specialisation.

letthecatoutofthebag said:
3) Target the right employers:

I think this must be secondary to getting the right people. If we can get someone who wants to join the RNR and is willing to stick with it, then they will put in the commitment - their employer is largely immaterial in the vast majority of cases. Yes it may be easier to persuade an undecided person in BT with "join the RNR, you'll get two weeks extra paid holiday and the RNR will send you somewhere nice during that time", but if they were not sure in the first place, their two weeks extra holiday at Raleigh in February may come as a slightly demotivating experience! :)
 
I have managed to persuade myself and 3 mates/collegues to attend the recruitment evening at KA on Tues, the websites gives details or date/time but not place/what to bring/how to get past the plod at the gates. Any ideas?? I have spent all day being passed around different people on the telephone and no-body seems to know about it. No reply from anyone at KA itself.

Cheers, Rob
 
Rob
The PSIs all go home at midday on a Friday. You should have more joy on Monday, however if you have not got in touch by midday Monday pm me and I will help you.
I am going in to the unit on Tuesday myself.
Regards
RC
 

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