We old bastards had it Easy

#1
As one of the older generation that the younger members of society are complaining about because we had it all I thought it was time to examine their complaints more thoroughly.

1. We all had grants and a free university education
Correct any of us who went to Uni or college as it was called then would normally get a grany and tuition was free. However the majority of youngsters left school at 15 and started work immediately. Some of the clever ones stayed to do GCE O levels and left as 16 to start work. The University kids probably accounted for less than 2% of the teenage population.

2. Our generation bought houses.
Many of us lived in council housing if we were lucky, if not we lived in houses without bathrooms and the toilet was in the yard outide, in some cases shared between several families.
This was the driving force for many of us to do without and save the 10% deposit needed to buy a house. We could of course only borrow 2.5 times our annual salaries and the spouses wage was not taken int account.
To buy our house we went without holidays, cars, and othetr luxuries as did our kids.

3.We Scounge the largest portion out of the Social Security Pot.
Agreed, however most of us have paid into that pot for up to 50 years, we were forced to pay it and told that we were BUYING a pension. If our money had been invested privately then our pensions would be infinitely higher.

4. We get FREE travel on the buses.
The one thing that the government has given us, however if we did not get a Free bus pass the government would still have to give the bus companies money to encorouge them to run loss making services.

5. We had it easy
Did we, if you were unemployed there was no dole unless you had worked for a period, sick pay was not paid for the first week and then it was minimum. Working hours dictated by the employer, no health and safety and if a girl was unlucky enough to get pregnant no help from the government at all.

Yes we had it easy:grin:
 

janner

MIA
Book Reviewer
#2
and of course this lot





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EATING IN THE UK IN THE FIFTIES







* Pasta had not been invented.
* Curry was a surname.
* Olive oil was kept in the medicine cabinet
* Spices came from the Middle East where they were used
for embalming
* Herbs were used to make rather dodgy medicine.
* A takeaway was a mathematical problem.
* A pizza was something to do with a leaning tower.
* Bananas and oranges only appeared at Christmas time.
* The only vegetables known to us were spuds, peas,
carrots and cabbage,
* All crisps were plain; the only choice we had was
whether to put the salt on or not.
* Condiments consisted of salt, pepper, vinegar and
brown sauce if we were lucky.
* Soft drinks were called pop.
* Coke was something that we put on the fire.
* A Chinese chippy was a foreign carpenter.
* Rice was a milk pudding, and never, ever part of our dinner.
* A Big Mac was what we wore when it was raining.
* A Pizza Hut was an Italian shed.
* A microwave was something out of a science fiction movie.
* Brown bread was something only poor people ate.







* Oil was for lubricating, fat was for cooking
* Bread and jam was a treat.
* Tea was made in a teapot using tea leaves and never green.
* Coffee was Camp, and came in a bottle.
* Cubed sugar was regarded as posh.
* Figs and dates appeared every Christmas, but no one
ever ate them.
* Coconuts only appeared when the fair came to town.
* Jellied eels were peculiar to Londoners.
* Salad cream was a dressing for salads, mayonnaise did not exist
* Hors d'oeuvre was a spelling mistake.
* The starter was our main meal..... Soup was a main meal.
* Only Heinz made beans.
* Leftovers went in the dog.
* Special food for dogs and cats was unheard of.
* Fish was only eaten on Fridays.
* Fish didn't have fingers in those days.
* Eating raw fish was called poverty, not sushi.
* Ready meals only came from the fish and chip shop.
* For the best taste fish and chips had to be eaten out
of old newspapers.
* Frozen food was called ice cream.
* Nothing ever went off in the fridge because we never had one.
* Ice cream only came in one colour and one flavour.
* None of us had ever heard of yoghurt.
* Jelly and blancmange was only eaten at parties.
* Healthy food consisted of anything edible.
* People who didn't peel potatoes were regarded as lazy.
* Indian restaurants were only found in India .
* Brunch was not a meal.
* If we had eaten bacon lettuce and tomato in the same
sandwich we would have been certified
* A bun was a small cake back then.
* The word" Barbie" was not associated with anything to
do with food.
* Eating outside was a picnic.
* Cooking outside was called camping.
* Seaweed was not a recognised food.
* Pancakes were only eaten on Pancake Tuesday
* "Kebab" was not even a word never mind a food.
* Hot dogs were a type of sausage that only the Americans ate.
* Cornflakes had arrived from America but it was obvious
they would never catch on.
* The phrase "boil in the bag" would have been beyond
comprehension.
* The idea of "oven chips" would not have made any sense
at all to us.
* The world had not heard of Pot Noodles, Instant Mash
and Pop Tarts.
* Sugar enjoyed a good press in those days, and was
regarded as being white gold.
* Lettuce and tomatoes in winter were only found abroad.
* Prunes were medicinal.
* Surprisingly muesli was readily available in those
days, it was called cattle feed.
* Turkeys were definitely seasonal.
* Pineapples came in chunks in a tin; we had only ever
seen a picture of a real one.
* We never heard of Croissants we certainly couldn't pronounce it,
* We thought that Baguettes were a problem the French
needed to deal with.
* Garlic was used to ward off vampires.
* Water came out of the tap, if someone had suggested bottling it and charging more than petrol

for it they would have become a laughing stock.
* Food hygiene was all about washing your hands before meals.
* Campylobacter, Salmonella, E.coli, Listeria, and
Botulism were all called "food poisoning."
* The one thing that we never ever had on our table in
the fifties …
…….elbows!!!!!!!.







































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#3
We could of course only borrow 2.5 times our annual salaries and the spouses wage was not taken int account.
That is a beautiful dream. It would be so good. That would bring the cost of a house back within reach of the younger generation. And a ten percent deposit! Amazing! So little money needed to buy a house :)
 
#5
You forgot some very good ones.

You got decent run ashores and the chance to be drafted to some amazing places across the world. Now we only have Gibraltar if your very very very lucky :(
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
#6
My Dad's in his late 70's on a Civil Service Pension & State Pension, he retired in his mid fifties due to "ill health". He buys a new car every couple of years, holidays abroad two or three times a year and says he's never had so much money to spend on himself.

Do I begrudge him? Not at all he's earned it.

Will I be the in the same situation? I bloody doubt it.
 
#9
That is a beautiful dream. It would be so good. That would bring the cost of a house back within reach of the younger generation. And a ten percent deposit! Amazing! So little money needed to buy a house :)

Unfortunately 2.5 times annual salary and a 10% deposit would not buy a house. In reality a much larger deposit was needed.
 
#10
You forgot some very good ones.

You got decent run ashores and the chance to be drafted to some amazing places across the world. Now we only have Gibraltar if your very very very lucky :(
We oldies feel for you young guys who are missing out on some great times and great runs ashore. However in the 60s a man would join a ship which sailed for the FEZ (Far East) and not get back to his wife and family until 2 years later. He would often not have seen the baby his wife had dropped just after he left, this kid was now 2 years old.
This changed for the better in the 70s when the maximum time Jack could be made to be sepperated was reduced to 9 Months.
What is it now?
 
#11
Bought our first house for £8,600 with a £70 per month mortgage. Rates ( council tax )
Was £90 per year. Don't know how a young family manages now.
 
#12
We oldies feel for you young guys who are missing out on some great times and great runs ashore. However in the 60s a man would join a ship which sailed for the FEZ (Far East) and not get back to his wife and family until 2 years later. He would often not have seen the baby his wife had dropped just after he left, this kid was now 2 years old.
This changed for the better in the 70s when the maximum time Jack could be made to be sepperated was reduced to 9 Months.
What is it now?
Two-year unaccompanied foreign-going commissions are a thing of the past but, believe it or not, today's warships and submarines spend lots more days at sea than their modern predecessors including those of WW II (no routine boiler cleans required). This is thanks to vastly improved ARM (Availability, Reliability and Maintainability).

The submariners have it worst.

MOD website 8 Sep 2010: HMS Talent returns from the Indian Ocean (400 of previous 600 days at sea)
BBC News 11 May 2011: HMS Tireless returns to Plymouth base after 10 months
RN website 20 Dec 2011: HMS Turbulent completes 268 day Indian Ocean deployment
MOD website 30 Jul 2012: HMS Triumph returns from marathon 10-month deployment (away for 13 of previous 17 months)
BBC News 22 May 2013: HMS Trenchant returns to Plymouth after 11-month deployment

Separation is governed by these Harmony Guidelines:

Hansard 11 Feb 2009 said:
The Royal Navy guidelines determine that personnel spend, on average, 60 percent of their time deployed and 40 percent alongside in their home port during a three-year period. The maximum individual threshold (separated service) is 660 days away from their normal place of work in the same three year period...
By comparison:

Hansard 11 Feb 2009 said:
...The Army guidelines determine that soldiers can be deployed for one six-month tour in every 30 months (six on, 24 off) and during that 30 month period a soldier should not expect to be away from his or her normal place of work for more than a total of 415 days.

The Royal Air Force guidelines determine that personnel should not spend more than 280 days in every 24 months away from their normal place of duty.
 
#13
Thanks NG
In this day and age it is a shame that the young thrusters are no longer enjoying the types of visits we old farts used to.
 
#17
Brought my first house in 73 £7000 with the pussers loan and a £6000 morgage. £45 a month and it went up to £54 after 6 months, but at least we could just afford it, todays 20 somethings have no bloody chance.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
#18
Brought my first house in 73 £7000 with the pussers loan and a £6000 morgage. £45 a month and it went up to £54 after 6 months, but at least we could just afford it, todays 20 somethings have no bloody chance.
Question is: Is it necessary to own your house?

In my experience the ownership is a pain in the arse and brings out the worst in families - particularly when someone kicks it & a family squabbles about who gets what, for nothing.

The emotional link to this obsession with owning your own house, in my opinion, is vastly overrated in UK.
 
#19
You have a good point N_S, and I understand that in most of Europe (Germany being a good example) home ownership is not such a big thing. The attraction for me now is that in four years I will be 'rent' free, though all those years of having to scrimp and save (to an extent) I do wonder if I would do it again, particularly as a mortgage now would take such a huge lump from my income.
 
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