Evening all,
I’m currently looking into different roles in the Navy. A few roles stick out more than others...one being the Warfare Specialist.
I have read a few threads about the role, and understand that there is now sub branches. Correct me if I’m wrong.
I would prefer a more hands on job, using weaponary and and learning different pieces of equipment.
The one main question I had is if Warfare Specislists are allowed of the ship when docked in overseas countries? Some people say that you will spend most of your time guardin the ship, whilst the rest of the crew have time off to “Adventure”. Not that this would be a problem just a pain in the arse!
As well as the above, I’ve read that there is quite a lot of ship maintenance to be completed if you take up this role. I don’t know if this is true however I wouldn’t be bothered if so. I’m currently in a 4 year engineering apprenticeship. I work 8 hours a day with a 20 minute break, so understand that some jobs have to be done which are tedious and boring. However on the contrary some are fun and engaging. All this being said this apprenticeship isn’t my thing, hence why I’m looking into the navy.
I also have a Careers presentation with my local AFCO to learn more about the navy as a whole.
It would be nice to get a reply from any serving or ex warfare specialists to inform me a little more on the role, but all the help and advice is appreciated.

Cheers in advance.
Tom
 

crash_evans

Lantern Swinger
I have read a few threads about the role, and understand that there is now sub branches.
Providing you pass the recruit test, interview and medical you will choose a branch of preference. In your case, it will be Warfare Specialist (WS). You do not choose your sub specialisation, but you can indicate your preference and this will be noted. Around Week 7 of Phase 1, you will be notified of your sub specialisation. This is all down to the needs of the Service.

Correct me if I’m wrong.
I would prefer a more hands on job, using weaponary and and learning different pieces of equipment.
All WS are trained in personal weapons (SA80 A1), but naturally Above Water Weapons (AWW) are trained in more weapons, and will be then streamed Type 45 or Type 23. This will then decide what further weapon systems you will be trained on. For example, Type 23 AWW are trained on 20mm, 30mm, MK 44 mini gun, GPMG etc.

With regards to equipment, all WS receive 5 weeks Action Information Organisation training (RADAR) at the start of their course. this is a PASS/FAIL module and must be completed before moving on to your 'trade' training. Which I suspect will be AWW (see above). The only exception to this is the Electronic Warfare (EW), as they only receive a 1 week 'taster' to RADAR. This is primarily because they have a greater knowledge of sensors etc.

The one main question I had is if Warfare Specislists are allowed of the ship when docked in overseas countries? Some people say that you will spend most of your time guardin the ship, whilst the rest of the crew have time off to “Adventure”. Not that this would be a problem just a pain in the arse!
Everyone has a role on board, whether this is foreign or in UK waters. If you are in the Duty Watch on the first day in, you dip out. As a WS, you will be either employed on the gangway (1 in 2 watches, 6 hours on and 6 hours off) for 24 hours 'guardin, as you said above. More than often you are the guy/girl who says make sure you peg out and in (so you know who is on board and who isn't). The evenings are where most of the fun is, watching people come back slightly worse for wear and guiding them up the gangway.. Or, you will be employed as a member of a firefighting team, in which case you will be sitting about and prepping your civvies for the next day. If you have a good CHOPS (M) (your boss), he will give you a make and mend (early finish) and you can go off and 'adventure'.

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I’ve read that there is quite a lot of ship maintenance to be completed if you take up this role. I don’t know if this is true however I wouldn’t be bothered if so. I’m currently in a 4 year engineering apprenticeship. I work 8 hours a day with a 20 minute break, so understand that some jobs have to be done which are tedious and boring. However on the contrary some are fun and engaging. All this being said this apprenticeship isn’t my thing, hence why I’m looking into the navy.
Everyone on board carries out maintenance to a more or less degree. I wont go on about the Weapon Engineers and their idea of 'maintenance'.. As a WS, you get the upper deck to maintain as well as 'flats' or passageways. This is split up into Part of Ship (Forecastle, Top, Boats and Quarterdeck) (Pointy end, top bit, bit where the boats are and blunt end). It is a bit pump doing it in Plymouth when it is honking and wet. However, when you are foreign you can off tops and get your shorts on and do some serious bronzing.

I know AWW sounds sexy and it has guns and shit, but 4 hours into a Thursday War off the coast of Plymouth in Feb can get a bit chilly... I can recommend sitting in the sound room hunting Russian submarines in the warm, eating biscuits.

I hope this helps.
 
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TDogg

Midshipman
I’m currently waiting for dates for Raleigh having passed the above “can’t wait” abit more information would be very much appreciated about my role as WS thanks
 

crash_evans

Lantern Swinger
What sort of things are you after, specifically? What Sub-specialisation are you interested in?


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TDogg

Midshipman
Thanks for your reply I’m currently waiting for my new passport as mine was expired and my start date will be may. Any information on what sub specialisations will be offered to me would be great I’ve been through every thread but it all seem a abit vague also any tips and pointers would also be very much appreciated
 

Shipspotter

Badgeman
What sort of things are you after, specifically? What Sub-specialisation are you interested in?


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Do you have any idea on the training pipeline for the WS whilst at Collingwood? I have my interview soon and any extra information I can throw at my careers advisor will be a winner!! I find the RN website doesn’t really go into phase 2 in much depth!!

Many thanks for all your time
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
OP - if you are half-way through an engineering apprenticeship, unless you really, REALLY hate it - crack on and get it completed. Trust me, it will be the best decision. I joined up as a dabber (no WS in those days!) and very quickly got bored and disillusioned. Transferred to a technical branch - it was easy then. No regrets either way. Had fun in the sun as a dabber, got good quals for outside as a pinky.

If you talk to the AFCO, you'll probably find that you can finish the apprenticeship one day and join up the next - more or less! And there MAY even be financial bonuses to be had!
 

redmonkey

Lantern Swinger
Book Reviewer
As @SONAR-BENDER says there is more money as an engineer and if you are so far through an apprenticeship it really is worth finishing it off.
Certain qualifications allow you to join as a Leading Hand. You get the money but you don't get the authority of a LH until you are qualified. Something worth asking your AFCO about.

It could be worth changing your user name to protect your identity.

@crash_evans what is your opinion of the WE idea of maintenance? As in all branches you get good and bad and as a WS I bet you scream loudly when certain bits of WE kit don't work during a Thursday war.
 

crash_evans

Lantern Swinger
@crash_evans what is your opinion of the WE idea of maintenance? As in all branches you get good and bad and as a WS I bet you scream loudly when certain bits of WE kit don't work during a Thursday war.[/QUOTE]

As an Ex OM, I have an understanding of maintenance. I was referring to the fact that by and large it is reactive maintenance (usually on call), the rest of the day is spent as messdeck security.


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redmonkey

Lantern Swinger
Book Reviewer
@crash_evans what is your opinion of the WE idea of maintenance? As in all branches you get good and bad and as a WS I bet you scream loudly when certain bits of WE kit don't work during a Thursday war.
As an Ex OM, I have an understanding of maintenance. I was referring to the fact that by and large it is reactive maintenance (usually on call), the rest of the day is spent as messdeck security.


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As an OM I guess you would know how to reset the tv when it goes off line.
Kit still needs scheduled maintenance and PFF every day. Depends on what platform you are on.
 
Hello all,
after thinking long and hard about my position I have decided to finish my apprenticeship and get the qualification. This will get me a Level 3 Diploma in Engineering, which then allows me to go onto the Accelerated Apprenticeship programme that the Navy offers. Upon completion you are a leading hand, does anyone know what that means?
I think I chose Warfare Specialist as a quick fix and thought to myself that because the role was "high priority" I would get in quicker and get out of my apprenticeship quicker...when really I was bullsh**ing myself. Like you all said the pay is better in Engineering anyway ;)
Cheers for help and advice, especially @@SONAR-BENDER and @redmonkey

Tom
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Hello all,
after thinking long and hard about my position I have decided to finish my apprenticeship and get the qualification. This will get me a Level 3 Diploma in Engineering, which then allows me to go onto the Accelerated Apprenticeship programme that the Navy offers. Upon completion you are a leading hand, does anyone know what that means?
I think I chose Warfare Specialist as a quick fix and thought to myself that because the role was "high priority" I would get in quicker and get out of my apprenticeship quicker...when really I was bullsh**ing myself. Like you all said the pay is better in Engineering anyway ;)
Cheers for help and advice, especially @@SONAR-BENDER and @redmonkey

Tom
It's the first step on the middle management ladder to give a civvy analogy, it's a senior junior rate to put it another way, equivalent of a corporal in the other 2 junior services.. Rates from bottom to top for ratings are AB2, AB1, LH, PO, CPO, WO1 (WO2 being phased out).

If you want to know what the above initials mean..google is your friend.
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
Hello all,
after thinking long and hard about my position I have decided to finish my apprenticeship and get the qualification. This will get me a Level 3 Diploma in Engineering, which then allows me to go onto the Accelerated Apprenticeship programme that the Navy offers. Upon completion you are a leading hand, does anyone know what that means?
I think I chose Warfare Specialist as a quick fix and thought to myself that because the role was "high priority" I would get in quicker and get out of my apprenticeship quicker...when really I was bullsh**ing myself. Like you all said the pay is better in Engineering anyway ;)
Cheers for help and advice, especially @@SONAR-BENDER and @redmonkey

Tom
In my opinion, a very good idea! Why not go along to your local RNR unit in the remaining time and gain some experience?

(I seem to be coming across as an RNR recruitment device lately!)
 

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