Warfare officer transfer to subs

Discussion in 'Submariners' started by xill, Dec 14, 2007.

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  1. Im currenty an above water warfare officer but have recently been on various submarine acquaints and have been very impressed with that which i have seen and heard. Could any submariners here, ideally X branch officers who have experience of boats and ships, give me their opinions of serving aboard submarines and weight it up to the similar job in the surface fleet. Many thanks
     
  2. silverfox

    silverfox War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    If you are still at BRNC, why don't you ask the submariner on the staff?

    Plus side - massive responsibilities earlier in the game - Watch Leader in a boat is just a bit different to being OOW1 on an escort. Consequently if you are good and make the grade then rewards are big - ie last Comand Selection signal all the Cdr promotees got a drive as there is a shortage.

    Down side - why is there a shortage? well problems with hull availability have resulted in a blockage in the training pipeline - less boats mean less watch Leaders/perisher candidates, which means those already qualified do more sea time and more jobs - which means they get threaders and leave....which creates a shortage.... etc etc

    Bottom Line - they'll bite your arm off if you offer to transfer. Potential rewards are great, but they come at a cost/risk.
     
  3. I second what Silverfox said. I would just add that it would be wise to get yourself an acquaint before making a decision - it's a lot easier to transfer into being an X(SM) than it is to get out again if you discover it's not for you. That said, in my humble opinion, being a submariner is one of the greatest jobs in the RN.
     
  4. Can only agree with the above posts. I'm still serving and 30 years in boats to boot. Joined as a JRO and currently Lt Cdr - Go for it, work hard and the rewards are great!
     
  5. You will be joining a highly professional team of personnel who make the general service look like a weekend sailing club.

    Oh and don't get too twitched when the word Sir is not used as a punctuation mark, some times even the boss is called..................... er boss.

    POMA (SM) Retired.
     
  6. Why are some submariners so full of themselves?

    The OOW on a carrier for instance, I would imagine has a lot more going on around him then on a boat.
     
  7. I thought this until last year when I did my first boat trip. He's a busy man with alsorts going on. I'm a mere novice on boats after only one trip but he was constantly on the go, stability of the boat, depth, contacts.. the list was endless. And as the 1st LT pointed out theres also the small matter of a reactor to look after!

    And I entirely agree with AAV Russ (and thats coming from a skimmer), submariners are alot more professional than the surface fleet. Everyone knew the boat inside out, from the CO down to the most junior rating onboard. Theres no room for lightweights!
     
  8. Before you take the plunge, consider the following things:
    Would not being able to take a stroll on the upper scupper bother you?
    1. Do you value being able to phone home?
    2. If you cross to the dark side and don't like it what will you do? (as mentioned above it;s easy to get in but hard to get out).

    Have you thought about small ships? The informality and and proffesionalism are very similar.
     
  9. Because we is ELITE

    Maybe so, but look at the back up, on a submarine you are IT.
     
  10. gents

    Lets not get into a pissing competition,

    Special service pay is paid for a reason.

    Nuff said
     
  11. xill,

    I must caveat this message by stating at the outset that I may have put two and two together and got the proverbial five. However, reading between the lines, it sounds as if you are (a) still at BRNC or (b) proceedng through X course. The reason I assume this is because if you have joined the trained strength and started your first dabber job, (i.e. you are OOW 3 in a skimmer or CORRO of an MM PP etc etc) then I doubt you will be going on boat aquaints since you will be tied to your unit.

    I pass this to you as my best advice: being an officer on a submarine is in a different league to being an officer in the General Service. This is not an allusion to elitism - rather a statement of fact. If your first job is to a running SSN (as mine was) then stand by to stand by. You will be expected to work very hard indeed. Long days are the norm and you must very quickly become a safe submariner by understanding all the equipment around you. Not only is a technical ability required - you must also be able to get on with others since submariners live cheek by jowl. On the plus side, you will be given considerable responsibility at a very early stage and the opportunities for rapid advancement are certainly there.

    However, this may not be for you. With increasingly older hulls and replacements coming into service at retarded dates, ever-more commitments and fewer personnel, it is a sad fact of life that boats are being worked into the ground. This is, I believe, also true of the FF / DD community. Just look at F235 and S104 back from globals. This will translate into a significant period of time at sea for you and therefore away from family. Do not underestimate this.

    My best advice would be to (a) consult FOS and see if there's a boat (SSN ideally to give you best picture) you could ride for a couple of days (b) secure yourself some leave and (c) arrange the ride through the relevant squadron XO and the boat's Ops officer.

    I hope this helps.

    Yours aye,
     
  12. Xill,
    One thing you will get, if you're any good and that's respect from all concerned. You won't be blindly followed though and believe me if you don't know your stuff you will be ridiculed to the point of embarrassment. It's the Submarine Service way of sorting out the wheat from the chaff. You either can or can't handle it. There is nowhere to hide because ALL eyes will be on you.
    Best to find out early so you can spend the rest of your career safe in the knowlege of having given it a go and been found wanting rather than regretting never having given it a shot.
    It may well turn you into a smug git and I think you'll find that most (all) of us are or were. It's difficult being humble when you just know how good you really are!
    Whatever you decide good luck and go for it!
     

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