Warfare Officer (Surface) Training Pipeline?

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  1. First post: Hello there and thank you the people of RR for helping me to get where I am now, now I need some help to get me further!

    I am pre-AIB and need a little help on clarifying the current pipeline from Dartmouth forwards for a Surface Warfare Officer.

    I have used search to no avail. I am mostly confused about when I take the IWOC(f)

    The material I have read states I will do a IWOC (non foundation?) around 2 and a half years into service. is this a diffrent IWOC to the foundation one? and If so when do I take the foundation in terms of after BRNC?

    Thanks for reading.
  2. I think that there are 2 different IWO things going on. The last term at BRNC for X Officers is called IWOF (no idea what that means) and covers some basic professional training; IWO Nav and IWOC bookend your SFT, with IWOC including your navigational assessment and then onto Initial Warfare training. Frankly, this stuff is changing by the week, so I suggest that someone at BRNC corrects me if I'm wrong!
  3. Well you gave it a go! I'm at AFCO tomorrow for a chat with ACLO so i'll see what they have in terms of publications.

    Anyone else a little bit more read up on this than us? :(
  4. As you will guess, i am also pre-AIB for Warfare Officer.

    Training pipeline goes like this:

    1. Initial Officer training - 2 14 week terms in Britannia.
    2. Initial Warfare Officer (Foundation) course - 1 14 week term in Britannia
    3. Fleet-time training - consists of 3 parts.
    i. Common Fleet time - roughly 4 months
    ii. Navigation Course
    iii. Specialist Fleet time - roughly 6 months
    4. Initial Warfare Officers course.
  5. Ok, looks good.

    Am I right in saying that CFT culminates in Fleet Board?

    As an undergrad will I generally be looking at staying as Midshipman until passed IWOC (step 4.)?

    Thank you very much kind sir and best of luck with the board.
  6. I don't think you're right there mate. CFT doesn't exist for one.

    It is more like:

    Term 1: Initial training featuring BLD and ABLE (14 weeks)

    Term 2: 10 weeks of Initial Fleet Time (ending in Fleet Board), then back to BRNC for 4 including MARL (14 weeks total)

    Passing out parade.

    IWO(F): Initial Warfare Officer Foundation Course consisting of various educational and academic training modules. (14 weeks at BRNC)

    SFT: Specialist Fleet Time - Role specific training (6-8 months depending on ship programme)

    IWO: Initial Warfare Officer Course at HMS Collingwood including Nav Sea Week, various other modules like OOD, Comms, DO etc. (13 weeks)

    If you get a Nav recommend it is possible you might get a Navs job on a small ship, alternatively you could specialise in one of the sub-roles within the warfare branch (FC, HMO, Mine warfare etc) or go on to another OOW job in general service.

    Beware of any brochures etc with the training pipeline in, it was recently changed quite significantly and much of the printed recruitment material doesn't reflect that yet - the biggest change is the movement from IST and CFT as 2 seperate phases to a 10 week IFT phase on a capital ship.

    Hope this helps. (I too am in the application process so if anyone serving sees any errors please point them out).
  7. Are you sure you won't flash like you did when I pointed out that you had posted incorrect information??? :wink:

  8. Difference is, this is me typing for myself, the other post was a direct copy/paste from the RN website. Now can you be of any assistance or not?
  9. THis isn't the first time you've posted something which has been of help to me as well as the person you intended it for, lonestar. Thanks very much.
  10. I had taken that out of one of the brochures! Thanks for letting me know, i'll see if I can't get the updated information now! Out of interest, where did you find that?
  11. Some of it (term 1 and 2) is now on the BRNC web page.

    The rest is just things I have picked up from acquaint courses and friends currently serving who have recently been through the whole process or are currently going through it.
  12. Yea, I have just been on that page actually - it explains it very well.

    I have to say, I envy you. I have been booked on an aquaint course, except it is after my AIB date!! It's a pity, as i know it will teach me so much!
  13. Ok, so how long after your IFT would you br looking at doing IWO

    Also what does ABLE, BLD, OOD and DO stand for?

    I am new to Warfare as I have switched from Aircrew, so do forgive my naivety!

    Many thanks
  14. IWO is pretty much straight after SFT.

    BLD - Basic Leadership Development (within the grounds of BRNC)

    ABLE - Assessed Basic Leadership Exercise (On Dartmoor)

    MARL - Maritime Assessed Leadership Exercise (On picket boats on River Dart)

    OOD - Officer of the Day (Duty Officer when the ship is alongside rather than at sea)

    DO - Divisional Officer (you will have responsibility for a number of ratings on your ship from the point of view of 'pastoral care' if you like - I can't really think how to describe it)

    I wouldn't worry about the last 2 I doubt that will come up, worth knowing what ABLE, BLD and MARL are though. I believe they are mentioned on this 'Interactive Microsite' too but I haven't looked at it for a while.
  15. I passed AIB in early January and this is spot on for the training pipeline.
  16. I had my SIFT interview for joining as a Warfare Officer last month (passed), however I was told that my undersatdning of the training pipeline wasn't 100% accurate. I was told I should double check some aspects of what I had told him, the pipeline above was basically what I thought was involved too, but apparently this isnt 100% correct.

    Can anyone advise where the errors might be?
  17. That looks good to me though it misses out the four week induction course at Collingwood after IWO(F) and before SFT. The course gives the young officers an insight into using things like WECDIS (digital navigation charts) and ship handling.
  18. Oh and the way the outline is written, it seems to suggest as though it's possible to specialise on completion of IWO which I believe is untrue. By my understanding, it is possible to have your first job as a Nav on a small ship but most officers will have to do perhaps two general service jobs before being able to specialise in mine warfare etc.
  19. Nope - depending on the needs of the service, you may be sent directly to Fighter Control (FC) or Hydrography/Met (HM) course from IWOC. After your first complement appointment, you may also try and specialise in Mine Warfare, Clearance Diving (they are different), Intelligence, Flying (if young enough), FC, HM or remain on the more traditional watchkeeping/navigating path.
  20. Cheers for the replies.

    Your both saying the pipeline is correct though, just that theres a 4 week induction course before SFT and that I may be able to speciailise (depending on needs of service) after IWOC.

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