Warfare Officer in Civvy Street.

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  1. Hi All,
    I apologise if this subject has been covered already, I have searched and had little luck. I have not yet completed phase 2 but I have been fortunate enough to be picked out as a potential officer. The branch I am going into is ET(WE) however due to the "needs of the service" it looks like I will most likely be pushed down the Warfare Office route.

    I am overjoyed at the prospect of going for officer and have no desire to leave the navy as of yet however I do have concerns about how transferable these skills are into civvy street. If and when I do decide to leave, what sort of jobs are available in the civilian market for a Warfare Officer?

    Many Thanks,

    Jack!
     
  2. Jack,

    In my humble opinion I wouldn't go down the warfare Officer route (or get pushed down that route). If they have marked you out as possible Officer material, I would continue with your WE course and get some sea time under your belt. This would let you see what a Warfare Officer does, or indeed a WE Officer. If you impress on a Ship or Collingwood you can ask to have your papers raised - do it on your terms and don't fall for that "needs of the service". When you raise your papers, you can chose which branch you want to be an officer in and so don't hurry into it now.

    Dont go the Warfare route - it is a shit job standing on the bridge - go WE Officer as this will set you up better for Civvy Street
     
  3. Is warfare really that bad? That's what I'm applying for. That role was suggested to me but I didn't realise that it was a shortage role as I thought all officer positions were over subscribed which is why fewer people are getting through the AIB.
     
  4. If you have been accepted as a potential warfare occifer then my advice is to go for it. You will be better paid and more comfortable as a occifer than as a rating.
    As for opportunities after leaving the service, many skills you will acquire in the RN are easily transferable to civilian jobs (this goes for all trade and specialisations).
    Coupled with an annual education allowance you will also be able to acquire civilian recognised qualifications, why not study for an MBA and let the RN pay?
    Your choice but I would most certainly try the wardroom settee first :p
     
  5. Flipping burgers, Barista ;)

    OK, in practice there are no clear career paths for a warfare officer to go into, the main thing is taking the general skills gained and pitching them into the civilian job market. A lot of that depends on what jobs you've done during a career.

    I started as an engineer, branch changed to warfare and the civ job that I do now akes aspects of both of those career paths.

    Bluntly, there isn't much demand for PWOs but a PWO with staff experience could quite easily go into many senior management roles in operations, HR, sales, change management or programme and project management.
     
  6. Warfare Officer to Civvy street!

    Could always get a job as a doorman. They seem to get in the wars quite often.

    Nice uniform too. All black, short cropped hair and no sense of humour.

    On a serious note, it's not so much your specialist skills that are transferable more your officer type leadership, (I use the term loosely), skills that are more transferable.

    If your thinking of civvy street before getting in the RN. Have you made the right career choice?
     
  7. Jack, warfare officer will provide you with the opportunity to get on in the navy (rank wise) if you want to. If you go down the submarine officer route, you will find that you may progress even faster. If warfare is want you want to do, go for it and take AIB as soon as possible.
     
  8. Funnily enough I was having a chat with my Sis in Law last week whilst on holiday about this subject. We were discussing a made redundant crab officer we know who has got a poorly paid new job. (My S-i-L is a HR Manager with a large ex-pat employer in Dubai). She was saying how in her experience having read cv's and interviewed many ex-officers from all 3 services they will push their ability to "manage" with no experience in the field in which they will be employed. This "if in doubt bullshit it" approach (which anyone who has spent any time in the mob will recognise) might sound ok but will not stand you in good staid when competing in a depressed market with lots of unemployment. She likes to see solid quals and relevant experience. Unfortunately the broad brush comments made by guys like our acquaintance simply fail to cut it.

    That said if you are going to be in the mob for a long time the bun house is the only way to go. As others have suggested i'd stick with WE and go officer that route.
     
  9. Jack my man,dont forget that when you are finished with the mob you will have a watch keeping cert and probably certs in navigation and seamanship ,the way could be open in the Merchant Navy if you enjoy being at sea,its just a thought, 8)
     
  10. If i was you mate, i would go for it, most officers when they leave usually go in to some sort of management job of some sort. Also as you said if you have no intention to leave, get the benifits of being a officer, more pay, bigger pension. Also as already ready mentioned you will get the chance to do further education anyway, it all depends on you. Anti-piracy is a big thing, also as mentioned merchant navy, and other types of maritime navigation.
    I have served 8 years in the marines and have not met or herd about one officer not being able to find a job once they have left.
     
  11. From the perspective of also having seen a lot of ex service CVs quite a lot of that is the assumption that civilian employers will be able to interpret the experience.

    The biggest weakness is in demonstrating how the experience is relevant and useful, and from experience the Career Transition workshop talks about this but doesn't really give people the tools to do it. If anything I think that the CTW tends to emphasise the bullshit it approach, on mine the trainer tried to tell us that experience as a DO could support a senior HR manager application. That said, the experience of being a HoD should put someone in a good position for a straight line management role, notwithstanding the technical skills needed in finance.

    Indeed. The first thing that I generally ask myself reviewing CVs is so what, why is something relevant or significant. I had one that repeated about a dozen times that this chap had been a Tornado navigator, considering that he was trying to position as a change manager we only discussed it because it was such a laugh. He'd completely missed the opportunity to indicate where he did have meaningful points in his CV, and there were a couple but mentioned only in passing..

     

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