Wanabe Sea Specs

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  1. Hello chaps, Is there any danger of aspirant Seaman Specialists starting Phase 1 within the next year or so? Cheers.
     
  2. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Only if they first passed the recruiting test over 4 years ago.
     
  3. Blackrat

    Blackrat War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer

    Judging by the title of the thread, i thought the OP was myopic.
     
  4. Jesus ******* wept. Good thing we're not short of Specs in the Fleet.

    As ever, I am in awe of people wanting to join the RN these days, because frankly I would've chinned it off and looked somewhere else. Do we contact these people, take them on AT, show them round ships to keep them keen or something?
     
  5. I agree, fair play to them. There is no way I would put my life on hold for 4 to 5 years to sign up for this shit.
     
  6. I'm not affected by myopia, Blackrat.
     
  7. 1. Yes. 2. Which budget/insurance do you propose using? 3. Have we any ships left??
     
  8. DNRs. He can't sort his shit out, he pays.
     
  9. Blackrat

    Blackrat War Hero Moderator Book Reviewer


    Really? I am. What a weird spin on things.
     
  10. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Alf, I'm pretty sure we all feel the same - those serving, those trying to join & those recruiting.

    Problem is "Dave's" decided we no longer need or cannot afford a Blue Water Navy so we either reduce manpower with greater numbers of redundancies for those serving to make room, reduce the numbers joining (as the Royal Marines have done to avoid wholesale redundancies below Lt Col) or a combination of the two.

    The Navy have opted for the latter.

    Whilst we always advise that potential joiners should hold-out for the job they want, rather than opt for a quick fix, those in "long wait" branches (Sea Spec, NA[AH] or similar) are advised to consider re-sitting the recuiting test to widen the range of available jobs or perhaps consider joining another branch.

    A fair proportion of those joining as Sea Spec may thinkthey will spend thir days bombing about in RIBs and little else, not realising that they are required to learn flashing light comms (a frequent cause of surprise in phase two) and in fact, share many of the roles of Warfare Specialist when it comes to time spent "messing about on the river".

    The upshot at present, is that with a depressed economy & few jobs available anywhere, we are begining to find that up of 50% of those finally offered a start date for "long wait" jobs, do not accept the job offer for a variety of reasons - criminal record, change of persnal circumstances, alternative career options, better job offers, medical reasons, change of marital or family status, etc.

    Arguably, amongst other more obvious reasons, those that do finally join in the long-wait jobs, only do so because no-one else has offered them a job or they are hell bent on joining.

    Where does that, collecively, leave us?
     
  11. Easy - change the terms of how we do it. Why do we serve a 'first come, first served' process? Split it into termly intakes, take the best RT scores for each type of entry and move them into RALEIGH. You get a years worth of attempts after your first RT, after that one more chance to re-take RT (and another 1 shot) or you don't have a job. A steady flow, no in-ordinate waits. There will no doubt be some delays for SC, medicals interviews, but we need to cut down on the delay in every part of the process. From what I can read on here, the wait after the paperwork is done is the most 'fat', lets cut that.

    A bit more of an admin overhead? I would hope not, as I assume there is a correlated list of waiting entrants and their RT score.
     
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  12. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    We're probaly all for change & improving selection - "can do" is much better than "too difficult" providing 'wastage' doesn't outstrip requirement.

    We already use performance based selection for Officers, based on AIB scores.

    Why not follow the RAF lead & do the same for ratings (?). Because recruits join-up thinking they will eventually make the grade for another branch but subsequently don't & opt out, bitter, costly & disillusioned. In ther words, unrealstic expectations - enticement with unachievable asprations.

    There are a finite number of jobs, we're not recruiting thousands anymore, it's hundreds but there are thousands of applicants. Is it fair to discrminate against a late developer who made a hash of secondary education, but is clearly bright?

    At present, there are several years worth of eminently suitable applicants for just about all ratings branches - admittedly this may well change at short notice...but it would perhaps be unwise to select a socially inept misfit who is good at passing exams but in danger of pointing a weapon the wrong way around before squeezing the trigger.
     
  13. So why hasn't DNR done something about this? It's not the job of the AFCO to make these changes, there's a 1* and his 'boys' to do this. If he doesn't, give me acting Cdre rank and I'll do it :D .
     
  14. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Opinions differ, but we have more applicants than we can employ. We can moan about it, try to improve it, but there are only so many jobs available, whoever fills the posts.

    DNR is no longer a director (Commodore) he's a Captain - one of 250 others who outnumber 'major' hulls by a factor of more than ten to one, much the same as there is one Commissioned Officer for every four people in the RN.

    Ultimately the Army (Ten Commissioned Officers to each Other Rank) is more likely to influence the way we do our recruiting business due to the fact they are 3 times the size on the RN, hold all the purse strings & when they jump, we all jump - even the light blue civilians, whatever we may like to think.
     
  15. Hell, I'll be a Captain, job til I'm 55 and cheers easy, cocking it up for new entrants!
     
  16. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    :-D Odds are Colonel is a safer long-term job option.
     

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