waiting time?

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  1. hey guys, i have a date for my psychometric test-11th june, considering every thing went to plan how long would it take before training started as an officer?

    also, if i am unsuccessful on my application as an officer, would i be able to go straight in as a rating, im guessing i would need to make a seperate application as a rating?! what sort of timescale would we be talking about approximately?

    any info would be great....cheers
  2. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Hi & welcome,

    It's very difficult to judge the waiting time for Officers as candidates are subject to "merit-based" selection. In theory you could pass all elements of the selection process, wait 12 months, then not be given a provisional offer of service because there were more candidates that scored higher than you, (even if they took AIB much later), for the limited number of jobs available.

    The only way you could join as a rating would be to undergo the full ratings selection process simultaneously & unfortunately, as crazy as it is, apart from the recruiting test, you will have to complete all elements separately.

    Hopefully sooner or later someone that can, will eventually realise that all applicants should undergo exactly the same selection process, then attend the relevant selection boards (if necessary) whilst remaining eligible for trades that do not need a selection board, regardless of whether they are applying as an Officer or rating.

    Logic would suggest that everyone should undergo the common elements which are already in place, first:

    1. Sit Recruiting Test
    2. Pass Selection Interview with Careers Adviser
    3. Pass Medical
    4. Pass PJFT
    5. Attend specialist selection board brief & then attend board, if necessary (AIB, PRMC, Nurse, Diver, Musician)
    6. Enter relevant service dependent on board result or eligibility.

    Sadly the above selection procedure would be entirely logic.
  3. thanks for the speedy reply, am i right in saying that applying for a rating at the same time as an officer is logical but impossible.?
  4. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    It's entirely possible, but just inconvenient for the applicant.

    The Recruiting Test is valid for both Officer or Rating, but then the two paths diverge & you must complete duplicate paperwork, one for Officer, one for Rating application.

    The two processes run entirely seperately. The Officer application is run by the ACLO, the Ratings application by the Careers Adviser & the computer system does not allow a candidate to have all the data on one entry, we have to run two separate entries, albeit under the same unique reference number which then means that the paperwork often gets crossed-over in error. We even have to duplicate reference requests, often to the same people nominated.

    As long as you accept you will have two interviews (Ratings Selection Interview & Officer Sift Interview), two medicals (Ratings at the AFCO, Officers at AIB), two fitness assessments (Ratings the PJFT at a local gym, Officers a bleep test at AIB) etc & you keep the ACLO informed of progress in your Ratings application & your Careers Adviser informed of your progress at AIB, it just couldn't be simpler.

    We are all fully aware of what logic indicates, but sadly those that hold the purse strings feel it's perfect as it is.
  5. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    Just a thought NS, isn't there a danger that in doing the two together it could be seen as a lack of commitment or confidence in ones ability to qualifiy for the Officer stream?
  6. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    Talking about waiting times, has anyone heard from Potential Officer lately?
  7. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    It could be, but I'm not sure by whom as the applications are completely independent of each other, it's more a case of blunt refusal to accept that it could be done far more efficiently than at present by integrating the common elements of selection.
  8. Advice would have to be go for officer first. Put all your effort into this. The ACLO will soon tell you if you're not up to it. The officer selection will need your full attention, there will be many times within it that you question your commitment, and an ongoing rating application will be a very tempting, but ultimatley regrettable, way out. Life is very different as an officer, why not try to get on some aquiants through your ACLO to get a taste for it.

    Also have you considered what will happen if you are selected for Raleigh before you attend the AIB? It must be worth a thought...
  9. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    The fact that someone joins as a rating does not mean they are doomed to never become an Officer.

    Thirty percent of Warfare/Logistics Officers joined as Ratings, rising to 40% in the case of Engineering Officers. Many people with little management experience opt to join as ratings to develop their overall knowledge prior to attending AIB. Similarly some wish to undertake a "hands on" job prior to taking on a managerial role.

    Whilst there is no doubt that a good level of attention is required to become a successful Officer applicant, a capable individual should be able to cope with both avenues simultaneously & keep all avenues open rather than narrow the scope of options unneccessarily. No-one should be subject to biaised opinion on their abilities based on the fact they have applied for both and are therefore considered unworthy of the higher goal.

    With regard what will happen if you are selected for Raleigh before you attend the AIB, it's highly likely that is exactly what WILL happen as you may wait up to twelve months before being selected as an Officer, IF you are selected, but at least your expectations are managed as a Rating & you will know your are suitable for service before you get a provisional offer of service.

    At present, for example, an individual could pass FATs, get provisionally forwarded for selection from AIB pending Medical referral, only to later discover you are medically unsuitable for service.
  10. cheers for all the posts, from what i hear that applying for both is possible, i think 'why not', on my own part i see applying for both officer and rating as a pro rather than a con as it shows im keen to gain entry into the RN on all parts, ill need to take it up with the careers advisor to iron out the details....waiting up to 12 monthes sounds a bit of a killer, the fact im 25, 26 in january and the officership im going for you need to be under 26 at the time of entry!? i guess these are questions i need to put forward. thanks again for your time.

  11. You are in a similar posistion to me ... although I'm slightly younger (25 next October) but the 12 months does worry me as well. Especially after waiting 3 weeks to get a date for my sift interview, only to be given a date nearly 1 month away!

    Can anyone confirm that a similar wait would be applicable to warfare officer (submariner)?

    I was always planning to join as a rating if I don't make it through the AIB, but this thread has made me consider starting the application process sooner rather than later.
  12. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Frankly it's always a good idea to consider Rating as well as Officer. All too often people believe they are destined only to become an Officer because they are academically eligible and do not consider a fall-back option if they are not at first successful.

    You are strongly advised to keep your options option. The fact that an individual has good academic results does not necessarily mean they are instantly going to be ready to pass officer selection and be a first class leader. Often a good grounding as a Rating before becoming an Officer is exactly what suits some individuals.

    After being put forward for selection, the time you wait is determined by the standard achieved at AIB.

    If there are sufficient volunteers of a high standard, then to be selected within 12 months, you will need a high level AIB pass. If there are a shortage of candidates versus a larger requirement, then those achieving an average level pass can expect to be selected sooner rather than later.

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