Waiting ages for my AIB

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  1. Hi Folks

    I applied to join the RNR via the direct officer entry route last July, and was eventually given a date for my AIB for this week. It was cancelled at short notice, and I've been told that it could be months before they can fit me in for another one.

    Apparently the problem is because I'm at the upper end of the age range and they like to make up boards with people of the same age, they need to wait for a few more old folk to apply to the RNR.

    Now this seems crazy to me. I would have no problem doing my AIB with a bunch of 20-year-olds, even if I am old enough to be their father. However, my ACLO tells me that it would be greatly to my advantage to go through the AIB with people of a similar age.

    Any thoughts? Any tips on how to get the process moving a bit faster? At this rate it could easily be over a year from applying to join to getting my AIB, which I have to say I don't find too impressive.
  2. I was at the upper age limit when I did my AIB and had to wait a long time too. One of the blokes on my board was about 10 years younger than me (either that or he had a really easy paper round as a kid !!! )

    If you are able, tell them you are available to be called at short notice - it may improve your chances.

    Good luck.
  3. As ever KCJ is right, get yourself on the short notice list but make sure they don't just have you on this list and you have a main date too. They can be pretty useless down there, keep on their backs.
  4. I'm not sure about the reason behind direct officer entry into the RNR. We have always seemed to have plenty of them so why provide this as an option?

    I'm not anti brass at all but i'm unsure as to how this option benefits the RNR. In the RN it makes sense. They get plently of time to train for their role whereas in the RNR you must surely still be learning the very basics of the RN way when you may be expected to guiding others.

    I think a year in the lower decks can only benefit any potential officers for their future career as an officer.

    Please correct me if i have missed something? :salut:
  5. Yes, you have missed that some of us who go on to join DE have previously served in the RN full time on the lower decks
  6. "I'm not sure about the reason behind direct officer entry into the RNR. We have always seemed to have plenty of them so why provide this as an option?"

    We have plenty now, most of whom will retire in the very near future so we need to grow new ones.
  7. Thanks for the replies folks. This story has a happy ending: I took the advice to ask to be considered for short notice cancellations, and I've just heard today that they can fit me in next week. Hooray!

    BTW, trehorn2: you make a valid point, and I'm sure you're right that spending some time as a rating would be of great benefit. If I were younger, I would certainly go down that route. However, I'm at the upper end of the age range (technically slightly beyond it), and after a year or 2 on the lower decks I'd be even more too old for an AIB than I am now. So that's why I'm going for the direct route, even though I recognise it's probably not ideal.
  8. Good effort NM - hope all goes well for you next week
  9. Absolutely right. Ring once a week if you have to. The secretary to the president of the board is the single most useless being I have ever had the misfortune to need to deal with. It seems that in 5-10% cases, she loses all your paperwork and you have to do it again.
  10. Two things, the demographics are bad, and the requirement is skewed. There is a significant hump approaching retirement in the next two to four years which will significantly deplete numbers at Cdr and Lt Cdr level, so we need to grow their replacements. Given the structural issues around the RNR then that's probably not achievable with UY style selection, even accepting direct entry from the regulars, which is quite low.

    With respect to the requirement there is a need for a disproportionate number of officers. With the various specialisations we tend to provide quite a lot of singletons at SO3 and SO2 level into component or joint HQs, or attached to various specialised units.

    There are moves to improve the structural issues at the rating level, but that will take time as well.

    CINCFLEET sets the requirement, CMR is required to meet that requirement. To all intents and purposes the RNR is part of the FLEET organisation, not a separate entity.

    I'm unconvinced, where is the benefit? One can have an appreciation of the capability, concerns and aspirations without actually having been there. In fact I'd go so far as to argue that a year RNR lower deck would be worse than useless, given the time it takes to complete the basic training.
  11. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    How interesting- and your factual basis for this prognosis, Doktor?

    Has it occurred that the list of detractors can be narrowed down to within the alleged 5-10% of individuals that had to fill out new application forms and those who want to join as a medic?

    Jeez, that's blown it....


    URNU students, gotta love 'em!
  12. Ninja,

    I did love them, unfortunately the CO wasn't always as understanding!!

    On topic, given my 1st hand experience with the sheer awfulness of new entry training, both JR and O, I'd give both of them a wide berth! That's not to denigrate RNR once they've gotten past that first step; again 1st hand experience shows you are dedicated, hardworking and bring a skill set we (the Regulars) don't have. You just really, really, need to sort out how you get people to that point!
  13. Ninja Stoker,

    Blown what? I'm in.

    In fairness, I have no statistically significant evidence to back up my allegation - my sample size is too small. What I should have said is that I personally found, as did two dozen or so friends and contemporaries who have applied, that there was a great deal of organisation lacking at Sultan. Forms were lost, references were lost, and we recieved frequent phone calls asking if we had submitted various paperwork or saying that they had still not recieved our references. On follow up, it invariably turned out that they did have the paperwork in question, but they just put it in the wrong place.
    Perhaps I was a bit harsh to pin it all on the one secretary - maybe she's just caught in the middle of everyone. Whatever is going on down there, however, it isn't being done as well as it might.

    The problem is nobody wants to complain at the time because they don't want to upset the people who are about to interview them. Once you're in, complaining is the last thing on your mind. (Except mine apparently - well I'm just a miserable git!)

  14. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Ah, 2007 AIB- gotcha, your constructive comments are all the more understandable.

    As your 24 friends appear to have suffered similarly, it is amazing this situation has continued to be tolerated for so long.

    Or perhaps it's just one individual's perception?

    Truth is, that applicants do not routinely give a second thought to the fact that we actually write to their nominated referees & expect them to reply. Frequently the applicant neglects the courtesey to ask their nominated referees in the first place, notify their referees that a letter is inbound, nor check to confirm that the reply has been sent- hence the multiple telephone calls to request the applicants "chase" their references up because they haven't replied.

    Frequently the papers for those attending AIB are forwarded before they are fully completed because applicants have not submitted them in time.

    As the AIB works well in advance of the said courses, they will be pro-active & chase letters that have not yet arrived at Sultan. It's called "Prior Planning and Preparation". Quite often after chasing somebody, the paperwork miraculously appears.

    It's somewhat unfortunate that the 24 people you know who attended AIB, despite their best efforts, were left wanting.
  15. Reference the coments about spending time in the lower deck and it enhancing your knowledge etc
    There is no doubt that the Captains of Industry, the Public Sector and the Armed Forces would all have a better appreciation of thier respective "flocks" if they "came up from the bottom, sadly this utopian ideal doesn't always allow time for the grease monkey to rise to MD of a FTSI100 company etc (there are exceptions). And in the real world, the leaders and managers of tomorrow tend to join as graduate trainees, I suspect if it was compulsory for the Regular Officers to serve in the lower deck for a year or two before going down the officer route, we would see a decline in applications.
    And with the snags the RNR is having in recruiting, it seems natural to follow what the rest of the world (inc armed services) are doing, ie open up to direct entry officer.
    Sad, but true!
  16. Based on what?
  17. Everyone has to join the Police at the bottom level (Constable) before they can climb the ladder - we have some absolute PR!CKS at the top of the tree - by the time they get to the top they haven't a bloody clue how things have moved on at the bottom, and are so remote their heads are normally up their arses.

    We also have the High Potential Development Scheme for those who join to be fast tracked through the promotion stakes - again, some right tools get through this and become senior managers thinking they know how it really works at the coal face, but they weren't there long enough to really get to grips with it.

    No system is perfect - the jobs at the top are different to the jobs at the bottom - they often require different skillsets and some Rodneys and Ruperts probably couldn't do some ABs jobs half as well as some ABs can. Some people are good as hands-on tasks, some people are natural leaders.

    Nothing is perfect - we just have to make the best of what we have.
  18. IT's good practice whilst you wait for CMR to sign your papers post AIB!

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