Veil teacher 'should be sacked'

[Streaky]

Stop snivelling Slim, for Gawds sake!

Just because he 's trying to use words of more than one syllable, doesn't mean he hasn't knobbed Polly Toynbee!

 

[dt018a9667]

Leavers
I am aghast. I take my hat off to you. And I must say a good post indeed and must agree with you.



One thing to say if what I can remember of employment law (if you mislead/tell lies at interview or application time) the employer can rightly terminate your contract. So what goes on here? re the first reported interview? Re man at interview no veil or was all that some fabrication from the press.
Bet it has more to do with the human rights brigade (money making type) than anybody else.

 

[Always_a_Civvy]

Well she got £1100 compo for her its a result,however it was deemed she wasnt discriminated against.

Compo was for victimisation rather than religious discrimination, yet she's appealing against discrimination having been ruled out - I wonder who's paying her legal fees?

No legal aid is available for employment tribunals last I heard

Being judgmental, I doubt whether she's funding this action herself, I'm sure that there are plenty of "civil rights" type organisations that are happy to support her stand in order to further their own particular viewpoint and who will have their own source of funding. What I find annoying is that its the tax-payers of the local authority who will ultimately pay for this - what sort of costs will the council be having to find from its own budget?

I suggest that fundamentalists within her community are backing it as a test case. If they win they will, as before, seek to extend the boundaries further by further challenges. The problem is that there has been too much political appeasement. Only once has such a campaign been stood up to - by academics at London University in the 1980s, when Muslim radicals demanded that gay students were expelled from the University. Having said this, the Conservatives did not back London University - like the majority of politicians in Westminster they kept quiet. This was the first challenge of this kind mounted by Muslim radicals in this country and passed largely unnoticed elsewhere. Despite their failure, the very quiescence of Parliament emboldened them.

Appeasement does not work - it encourages and accelerates the very behaviour it seeks to accomodate. Had a decisive stance been taken in the 1980s and Britain's liberterian traditions been made clear then, we might have averted this. It is too late now. The politicians have established a precident of appeasing those religious fundamentalists who cause the most trouble and make the most noise. We have made our proverbial bed, and now we must lie in it.

 

[come_the_day]

I'm still reminded of the Life of Brian stoning scene whenever I see anybody wearing the niqab!

There was a letter in yesterday's Mail, where a Moslem woman likened the position of Islamic people in th UK with that of Jews in Nazi Germany. I don't remember any reports of British Moslems being forcibly removed from their homes because they were Moslem, although I accept that, where the police and intelligence services have believed that a few Moslem people posed a security threat, that they have been arrested and incarcerated. We don't have any concentration camps and gassing facilities, to my knowledge.

I hope that this continues to happen, as I would that anybody posing such a threat should be arrested first, investigated and released if there were no case to answer. Any reasonable citizen would accept this situation, I am sure, knowing that in the case of there being nothing proved it would be easy to gain financial recompense.

At the end of the day, there is always the option to emigrate to a country that will support a way of life that is alien to the UK as a whole.

 

[oldseadog]

moist or damp , i dont mind which. there both lovely .
Just thought I'd use the ex as my Avatar

Dondon,
Just thought you might like to know that her mother was even better!

Nice to keep it in the family, though.

OSD

 

[Always_a_Civvy]

...There was a letter in yesterday's Mail, where a Moslem woman likened the position of Islamic people in th UK with that of Jews in Nazi Germany...

As usual twisting history! So when was legislation passed forbidding Muslims to do the following things Jews were barred from doing:-

working in the civil service
owning private telephones
using public telephones
using the postal service
attending university
attending ordinary schools
serving in the armed forces
working in medicine
working in law
working in the universities

etc, etc. Hypocrite! :evil:

 

[Greenie]

Read an article about the Koran and it writings -I think it was a link from one of the bbc sites. However it mentioned that the 'clerics' were still arguing about how much the women should cover herself and when !!!!!

I think that the full dress is required and its accompanied with a long head scarf to cover the hair and can be drawn across the face like a veil if required .The scarf material is usually lightweight and sometimes transparent.

The Klu Klux clan outfit is a figment of extremist interpretation. Possibly individual choice. Either way its open to questions!!

I think that woman is trying for publicity ----and of course the money!!

 

[Maxi_77]

Leavers
I am aghast. I take my hat off to you. And I must say a good post indeed and must agree with you.



One thing to say if what I can remember of employment law (if you mislead/tell lies at interview or application time) the employer can rightly terminate your contract. So what goes on here? re the first reported interview? Re man at interview no veil or was all that some fabrication from the press.
Bet it has more to do with the human rights brigade (money making type) than anybody else.

As I said earlier if she attended the interview without the veil but now demands to wear it she got the job under false pretences, end of story really.

Also I don't think the human rights people will be involved, rather the funding will be from one of the islamic groups, and considering her public presentation I would suggest this is a set up job.

Peter

 

[whitemouse]

Her legal team still wants to pursue it, and is considering Legal Aid.
I wonder if she wears the veil when she and her advisers are plotting to grab more public funds.
I note, also, that she is supposed to have been awarded £1000 for 'feelings' ? :?

Perhaps the person told to remove her gold cross, and who has been on unpaid suspension (illegal by Working Regs I thought - Rosina :?: ) by the BA Chairman, will also be awarded a sum for damage to her feelings - somehow I doubt it !

On the subject of a veil having to be worn in the prescence of other men, I was told by friends in Saudi Arabia, that it wasn't a requirement, but a personal choice, and that if a man was to see a woman without a veil, it was considered a respect by that family.
As an extra, their veils were so sheer as to be non-existent in the area that worke - Riyadh, the main palace location of the King.

 

[Maxi_77]

Opinion within the muslim world is actually quite divided on the veil in all it's various forms. Many women in Muslim countries actually campaign against the veil, and in Turkey it is banned as Attaturk considered it to be a form of subjugation of women.

I do think there are some who choose to wear the veil as a statement of their faith, rather than a requirement, just like the chav and his burberry cap, the football fan with his overpriced replica strip and so on.

Personally in general I don't care if it is the womans free choice to wear a veil, although in places where others are required to remove items which cover their face so should they. On the other hand I am wholly against the wearing of the veil if it is forced on the woman, as that is saying the woman is a sex object that must be hidden from all but her owner.

Peter

 

[oldseadog]

:idea: Next Wednesday, why not just for the hell of it, wearing a long coat with a hood and balaclava, walk into a bank/supermarket/post office and, if questioned, state that your mode of dress was required by your religion? :lol:

A word of warning - Do not carry a french loaf dressed like that! :twisted:

The NEW religion must not be confused with Islam (the one that takes the peace out of the rest of us), the KKK or the Druids

It could be interesting to watch the results - especially if the religion was a new one, with a following of ..... one! :wink: :wink:

OSD

 

[HARRY_MASKERS]

Read an article about the Koran and it writings -I think it was a link from one of the bbc sites. However it mentioned that the 'clerics' were still arguing about how much the women should cover herself and when !!!!!

Tried to read the Koran left in the hotel (Malaysia hotels have them in all the rooms, Bible style).

Couldn't read the bloody thing 'cos it was full of squiggles and dots!