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Veil teacher 'should be sacked'

Fair point Peter.
Back to the veil subject, has anyone else seen the comments emailed in from Muslim birds who wear them on the bbc.co.uk website? Mostly they are saying that they wear them because they are harassed or bullied into it by their peers. Interesting.
 

RoofRat

War Hero
Closeau
I was refering to all who seem to enjoy slinging insults. I was not taking sides.
You response is ill - aimed.

In that case, I am a big enough man to apologise.
Closeau, My apologies.
RoofRat
 
Lingyai said:
Fair point Peter.
Back to the veil subject, has anyone else seen the comments emailed in from Muslim birds who wear them on the bbc.co.uk website? Mostly they are saying that they wear them because they are harassed or bullied into it by their peers. Interesting.

This as ever highlights the problem in such areas, the veil when 'compulsory' is an instrument of oppression, when worn voluntarily is of course an expression of faith and free will. Thus the veil can be good and bad at ther same time.

With regards to the teaching assistant in question she got the job under false pretences, need one say more.

Peter
 

Clouseau

Banned
Maxi_77 said:
Lingyai said:
Fair point Peter.
Back to the veil subject, has anyone else seen the comments emailed in from Muslim birds who wear them on the bbc.co.uk website? Mostly they are saying that they wear them because they are harassed or bullied into it by their peers. Interesting.

This as ever highlights the problem in such areas, the veil when 'compulsory' is an instrument of oppression, when worn voluntarily is of course an expression of faith and free will. Thus the veil can be good and bad at ther same time.

With regards to the teaching assistant in question she got the job under false pretences, need one say more.

Peter

Ill fitting steaming bats - now they're an instrument of oppression!
 
Maxi_77 said:
Lingyai said:
Fair point Peter.
Back to the veil subject, has anyone else seen the comments emailed in from Muslim birds who wear them on the bbc.co.uk website? Mostly they are saying that they wear them because they are harassed or bullied into it by their peers. Interesting.

This as ever highlights the problem in such areas, the veil when 'compulsory' is an instrument of oppression, when worn voluntarily is of course an expression of faith and free will. Thus the veil can be good and bad at ther same time.

With regards to the teaching assistant in question she got the job under false pretences, need one say more.

Peter

Run'ashore in Guz few months ago and beer goggles seemed to work in reverse....should make the bloody thing compulsory on such occasions, sod the bleedin' teacher, what about all the shiters matelots and booties unable to fend for themselves whilst under the influence, my oppo's still suffering flashbacks of a monster bint that accosted him and left her mark.
nightmare!

Veils are too good for 'em. make these hordes wear the full ish. 8O
 
Lingyai said:
Fair point Peter.
Back to the veil subject, has anyone else seen the comments emailed in from Muslim birds who wear them on the bbc.co.uk website? Mostly they are saying that they wear them because they are harassed or bullied into it by their peers. Interesting.

Thanks for that Lingy, I hadn't noticed that. This is the old problem: being intimidated into conforming with religious values you disagree with. I suspect the MCB will complain to the BBC that reporting these complaints constitutes religious hatred as it hurts the feelings of those doing the intimidating, just as their Christian equivalents did recently and got a ruling in their favour by the advertising regulator!
 

Dabs

Lantern Swinger
SILVER_FOX said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/6050392.stm

Does anyone else think this is yet another example of the degrading of our way of life here? SF
Spot on man, when in Rome and all that business. If they want to settle in Britain they should at least come half way around to the British way of life. If they dont like it, well then, they should be given the directions to the EXIT door.
 
Thing is, it is a fact that the times we live in are dangerous and we are to be on the lookout for terrorists. On a warm day in Israel, if a dude in a bulky coat sits near you, you get the fcuk out of there on the double, I would wager we need to be as vigilant in the UK now and how do you know what these Jawas are concealing under their robes. Can you see fear or concentration on their faces? Would you let one of these hood wearers into the same bank that you don't allow someone to enter wearing a crash helmet? We have to integrate when I go to the mid east by dressing conservatively, the same as I do here in Thailand by dressing appropriately when in certain areas. Why then should these people not have to integrate here and dress in a way that would give the general public more confidence and do themselves a favour. Heard the Jeremy Vine show on Radio 2 where the producer wore the full monty for a week and she described how uncomfortable it made her and the general public feel. How many of these robes did we see 20 years ago? There were still loads of muslims here then they just didn't flaunt it as a provocational tool as they do now.
 

brigham600

War Hero
Good point about crash helmets there. I am a motorcyclist and I 'always' have to take off my lid when entering a bank, shop etc, but then again, I would not dream of NOT taking it off.

Its the same at petrol stations. I have to take off my lid to fill up the bike and many stations will not start the pump until I do and often get very shirty about it. I don't really care myself, but the car drivers waiting to fill up behind me do as they have to wait ages for me to 're lid' etc. Blame Shell, BP etc, not me.

I wonder if they would ask the same from these women who wear the full kit? Doubt it very much as it goes and what is the difference? All you are able to see are theeyes of both the Islamic women and myself. I appreciate wearing a lid could be construed as 'about to do a job' on the shop, but its highly unlikely that having just filled up with fuel and then entering the shop with my wallet in my hand, that I am about to hold up the garage. Especially with the CCTV about. :oops:

As Lingy has said, why the sudden influx of this rig? We have had Muslims living in this country for many years now and I cannot remember it being such a big issue back then.

Better stop this sort of talk though, I may be accused of being a bigot or racist once again. ;-)
 

dt018a9667

War Hero
Just seen the latest news, has anyone seen the news conference? I see she won’t back down, or is that the work of the Blair’s professional friends?
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
andym said:
Well she got £1100 compo for her its a result,however it was deemed she wasnt discriminated against.

Compo was for victimisation rather than religious discrimination, yet she's appealing against discrimination having been ruled out - I wonder who's paying her legal fees?
 
FlagWagger said:
andym said:
Well she got £1100 compo for her its a result,however it was deemed she wasnt discriminated against.

Compo was for victimisation rather than religious discrimination, yet she's appealing against discrimination having been ruled out - I wonder who's paying her legal fees?

No legal aid is available for employment tribunals last I heard
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
rosinacarley said:
FlagWagger said:
andym said:
Well she got £1100 compo for her its a result,however it was deemed she wasnt discriminated against.

Compo was for victimisation rather than religious discrimination, yet she's appealing against discrimination having been ruled out - I wonder who's paying her legal fees?

No legal aid is available for employment tribunals last I heard

Being judgmental, I doubt whether she's funding this action herself, I'm sure that there are plenty of "civil rights" type organisations that are happy to support her stand in order to further their own particular viewpoint and who will have their own source of funding. What I find annoying is that its the tax-payers of the local authority who will ultimately pay for this - what sort of costs will the council be having to find from its own budget?
 
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brigham600 said:
Better stop this sort of talk though, I may be accused of being a bigot or racist once again. ;-)

There's a distinct difference between squawking for sacking/deportation/stoning/whatever and reasoning with issues in a balanced way. The woman concerned is, and was obviously, chasing the issue rather than defending her virtue and faith, and for that she thoroughly deserves the judgements she got. I have no truck with people who drive roughshod through what is palinly a cut-and-dried case ... as a lecturer-teacher-instructor or educational specialist of whatever ilk, facial contact (especially with young people) is absolutely essential to convey emotions, emphasis and authority as much as is vocal contact. Shrouded in black with just eyes showing because of a religious idiosyncracy is in no waybeing dressed for the job in the same way that a Aircraft Handler wouldn't turn up for flying stations in knicks and flop-flops. If victimising oneself by proxy for religion is a crime because it is subjective against men (and it is, let's face it) then surely we should be asking what we as a western culture is doing to stop the opression of women and the victimisation of men who are denied visual contact with the opposite sex, because some Islamic beliefs are viciously parochial regarding females.

There you go again. No swearing.

Levers
 

slim

War Hero
Levers_Aligned said:
brigham600 said:
Better stop this sort of talk though, I may be accused of being a bigot or racist once again. ;-)

There's a distinct difference between squawking for sacking/deportation/stoning/whatever and reasoning with issues in a balanced way. The woman concerned is, and was obviously, chasing the issue rather than defending her virtue and faith, and for that she thoroughly deserves the judgements she got. I have no truck with people who drive roughshod through what is palinly a cut-and-dried case ... as a lecturer-teacher-instructor or educational specialist of whatever ilk, facial contact (especially with young people) is absolutely essential to convey emotions, emphasis and authority as much as is vocal contact. Shrouded in black with just eyes showing because of a religious idiosyncracy is in no waybeing dressed for the job in the same way that a Aircraft Handler wouldn't turn up for flying stations in knicks and flop-flops. If victimising oneself by proxy for religion is a crime because it is subjective against men (and it is, let's face it) then surely we should be asking what we as a western culture is doing to stop the opression of women and the victimisation of men who are denied visual contact with the opposite sex, because some Islamic beliefs are viciously parochial regarding females.

There you go again. No swearing.

Levers

Thanks Levers a well written point of view and for once I'm in full agreement with you
 
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