Seadog

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Approaching port you would expect everyone to be at harbour stations so why could they not avoid a bloody big tanker?

BBC reports the USS John S McCain collision occurred at 0524 local. Sunrise in Singers is about 0700 all year round so it was still dark.
I wouldn't assume the ship was at Harbour Stations but she may have been in mobile phone range.

I may have already said, it's more difficult to avoid a moving vessel than it is to avoid Skye, Wolf Rock and a Red Sea seamount. The RN should not mock. Ten sailors are missing, no one should mock.

The reliving of the Command Master Chief of USS Fitzgerald suggest that the culture on board was slack. For those who don't know, the CMC of a USN ship is more influential across the ranks than RN EWOs.
 
Seadog

I certainly am not mocking the loss of life due to this collision.

However, with the modern electronics suite on a ship of that class, it is still hard to work out how they could get so close as to cause a collision.

You comment on culture on the Fitzgerald. I wonder if this is an endemic problem in US warships as these two are not isolated incidents. Do they have standing orders to be assertive and expect other vessels to give way for example?

Fortunately, whether through good training or luck, the RN has been relatively incident free. Okay so we had Vanguard colliding with a French SSBN and HMS Southampton back in '88 hitting somthing but other than that???
 
The US Navy has far more ships at sea than the RN, by a huge margin, therefore the odds, not withstanding training or luck, of such incidents occuring are greater?
 

Seadog

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Do they have standing orders to be assertive and expect other vessels to give way for example?

No.

Force protection may occasionally require a departure from rules of the road -like everyone's warships- but if Force Protection were a consideration, the other vessel wouldn't get kissing close and would be a smoking ruin whereas the warship would be unscathed.
 
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