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Hi everyone. I'm currently preparing for my SIFT interview (although, it appears to be called a Career Discussion now).

Can anyone assist with a detailed chronology of the training pipeline (Post AIB) for an RNR Young Officer? I am aware there have been changes over the years. Having spent hours searching this site & google my understanding is as follows (but i'd be grateful if anyone can point out any mistakes, or add some meat to the bones):
  1. On successful completion of AIB & Vetting a young officer will assume the rank of Officer Cadet. They will then begin INT1A (Core Maritime Skills), which is similar for both ratings and officers. OC's will have 12 months to complete INT1A.
    • During this phase you will learn things such as how to live in a mess deck, parade training, weapons handling, general fitness, general naval knowledge, how to look after your uniform and damage control.
    • OC's will be required to attend two training weekends. Militarisation at HMS RALEIGH & Marinisation at BRNC. (If anyone could offer an insight into what these two weekends entail, I'd be grateful).
  2. Upon Completion of the above, OC's will move on to INT1B. The OC's will have 12 months to complete this module. They will be required to attend a Pre-BRNC Assessment Weekend at HMS RALEIGH. Again, if anyone could offer an insight into what this entails, I'd be grateful. Should the OC pass the pre-assessment weekend, they will assume the rank of Midshipman (non commissioned).
  3. Successful OC's will attend BRNC for a two week confirmation course. I'd be grateful if anyone could shed some light on the training schedule at BRNC for this two week course. My understanding is it includes Command, Management & Leadership training & a 72 hour exercise on Dartmoor.
  4. Should the Midshipman pass the confirmation course, they will then return to their unit and be required to complete the following:
    • 3 x Young Officer Training Weekends
    • 2 day Sea Survival Course at HMS EXCELLENT or HMS RALEIGH
    • 2 weeks Initial Fleet Time
    • Return to BRNC for a final leadership exercise on the River Dart?
    • Successfully pass the Fleet Board - upon successful completion they will be promoted to the rank of SLt.
  5. Upon Promotion to SLt the Young Officers will be required to attend HMS COLLINGWOOD within 12 months for:
    • 2 week Divisional Officers Course
    • 2 x Young Officer Leadership Course Weekends
If I have made a mistake, or missed anything out, I'd be grateful if someone could point it out. I'd also appreciate if anyone could clarify what actually happens at each stage, particularly in relation to the two week BRNC confirmation course & beyond.

Could anyone also advise if there is a Junior/Young Officer Taskbook? And if so, what does it include?

@Ninja_Stoker - Would you be able to assist? Or point me in the direction of someone who might be able to?

Thanks for reading! :)
 
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Kelvin

Badgeman
I believe you should have already joined an INT class at your local reserve unit and will stay in the class until completion of the AIB where you may join a specific officers training class. The pipeline also shortens significantly if you can find the time for the AOP next summer.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
To be completely honest @WelshSherlock, the RNR Officer pipeline is a bit of an evolving beastie from what I gather but at least it now seems to have structure and presumably the bare bones of the pipeline posted was provided by your local RNR unit (the best source of definitive advice in this area) or via your AFCO.

From an AFCO perspective, we tend to focus on processing RNR Ratings and Officers in a fairly generic manner and the AIB aspect is best advised by your ACLO and the training aspect by your unit. Hopefully @CmdKeen can update you on any changes since that pipeline was first released.

Best o'luck.
 

CmdKeen

Lantern Swinger
I feel slightly honoured...

There is an INT(O) task book which is available on Defence Connect once you get access to that. One of the early pages is a flow chart through the Phase 1 process.

You've got everything that happens though not quite correctly grouped. Additionally the 1 year is a rough aim, some complete phases quicker, others slower - many very good YOs take longer due to life getting in the way. Conversely going through the the speed of light isn't necessarily a sign you're the next Nelson.

Phase 1A is your OC time and comes under the broad heading of "militarisation". The first part is the same in unit syllabus as the recruits with some extra CLM (Command, Leadership and Management) parts tacked on. You attend weekends at BRNC and Raleigh, part of the time you join in the evolutions with the recruits, the rest is spent on officer specific training, again mainly CLM. You'll also complete NMT 100 (the rifle course). Militarisation at Raleigh is the more "green" weekend (i.e. the Army would recognise it), drill, scrubbing out and life being very regimented. Marinisation at BRNC is "dark blue", you're out on the river for a lot of the time, you sleep on a ship and get more of an insight into naval life.

Then you have the pre-BRNC assessment weekend which is normally at BRNC, this is to check you have a realistic prospect of passing. Finally there is the two weeks of fun at BRNC at the end of which you pass out as a Midshipman. The focus of the assessments are your ability in leadership tasks, which you will be taught in advance.

Phase 1B is the remaining time before Fleet Board and is "marinisation". More weekends at BRNC and Raleigh but a different syllabus from the OCs now focusing on the "academics" to make you a Naval officer. The main focus is 2 weeks of sea time. Then the Final Leadership Exercise back at BRNC - details are deliberately kept vague on this, most people find it good fun. FLEX is the end of the INT staff involvement in the process so it is essentially a culmination of everything leading up to that point.

Then Fleet Board after which you are eligible for promotion to SLt (you need a year's seniority as a Midshipman these days).

Phase 2 is relatively short but designed to make you minimally useful for something like the Olympics. There is now an RNR version of the DO's course - same syllabus but crammed into a single week to make it more accessible. The RNR version of the Junior* Officer's Leadership Course is one of the best courses I've ever been on.

Phase 3 is getting stuck into training with your chosen specialisation. Stand by for questions such as "what do you mean you don't get taught X in INT?"...


On the questions re courses your best bet is to speak to people who have just been through and your unit's Young Officer Training Officer. You're likely a year away from BRNC so while the big things won't change there is plenty of scope for things changing.

* Don't ask about the difference between Young or Junior officers...
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
Excellent summary, good sign of how the RNR is getting a lot more swept up = BUT, why on earth does the RNR do the DO's course? The Divisional system is great for full time, but I never once applied any of it to my part time ratings. Feels like a rethink is needed on this aspect of it.
 
Excellent summary, good sign of how the RNR is getting a lot more swept up = BUT, why on earth does the RNR do the DO's course? The Divisional system is great for full time, but I never once applied any of it to my part time ratings. Feels like a rethink is needed on this aspect of it.

Given the appalling treatment given to my wife from her RNR DOs I'd suggest it is not only vital, but should be repeated at every rank.
 
Excellent summary, good sign of how the RNR is getting a lot more swept up = BUT, why on earth does the RNR do the DO's course? The Divisional system is great for full time, but I never once applied any of it to my part time ratings. Feels like a rethink is needed on this aspect of it.

Given the appalling treatment given to my wife from her RNR DOs I'd suggest it is not only vital, but should be repeated at every rank.
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
Given the appalling treatment given to my wife from her RNR DOs I'd suggest it is not only vital, but should be repeated at every rank.

Disagree slightly - the regular RN DO course covered huge chunks of issues that no RNR officer will ever come near. What they need is time to focus on a system that captures the best of it, but drills in how to look after your people properly relative to the way they are in the Service - the full time Div model doesnt work for part time RNR.
 

CmdKeen

Lantern Swinger
From what I understand it is part of the drive for Phase 2 training for both ratings and officers to produce a "minimally useful" body. Not someone that could be deployed onto a proper war canoe but something like the Border Force, Op Olympic etc. For the officer route they've gone with JOLC / DOs so the RNR can provide the divisional system if mobilising a bunch of ratings rather than have to look to the regulars.

The RNR version of JOLC is cracking and deals more with "life in unit" - or why the Dartmouth hand chop won't get you far on a drill night. Now there's an RNR specific DO course hopefully that will start to add a few more reservist relevant elements over time - I suspect the RNLA is learning a few things from delivering it.

Plus it was always on most training matrices, but in odd places so you ended up with senior Lts doing it. Which, especially in the changing age profile of the reserves, means you often had people acting as DOs for years with little to no formal training - which leads to people being seen off in a variety of ways.
 
ATG, bleddy eck, we are (almost) in total agreement!
No matter how people have been treated in the past, there is now a massive drive to ensure the divisional system works in the RNR, and that has to start somewhere, the bottom is a good place, so every YO HAS to do a DOs course. And the OF5s are getting increasingly tetchy when units fail their people through late reporting etc (so it's started at the top also)
 
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