University vs. the Marines

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  1. University vs. the Marines

    Is it better to go to University and join the RM afterwards or is university a complete waste of time and should i join the Marines straight after school?

    For whatever reason if you had to leave the Rm would a future employer regard holding a degree or being in the marines higher and with which one would you be more likley to be employed?

    Thanks to anyone who replies
  2. Lol

    Let me first say that this isnt a very good question. It depends what the job is?

    If its something like a PMC (Private Military Company) then of course they'll go for the marines experienced guy over the say - English Degree.

    You're going to find out that depending on what job you want, the qualifications change?

    Applying for a doctor's post with experience in the bootnecks isn't going to get you anywhere fast, unless you were a doctor in the mob.

    What do you want to be? and how soon do you want to be it?
  3. Fair enough,
    Well i want to join the marines as soon as i leave school but im coming under lots of pressure to go to uni from school they want me to do a sports science or some type of managment degree which dont intest me whatsoever
  4. Do you want to be an officer or not, and are you thinking about a full career, 22yrs, or just getting some breoadening experience before going and doing something else?
  5. Officer or not i just want to be a marine preferably though an officer. Im not sure for how long as i would have to be in the job before i could comment on that.
  6. It's not a simple answer, getting a degree would give you some life experience and a little maturity when you go in, equally there are financial benefits from just going for it and joining.

    Given your lack of clarity about the work the Corps do then I think you'd need to do some serious research to have much chance of getting a commission. Of course that assessment is just based on these couple of posts, so you may not be putting across your reasoning at present.

    In the longer term employment sense, getting a degree should give you some additional skills in critical thinking, research, communication which are all extensible to other things. There is a school of thought which suggests that those skills aren't well developed in a host of the available degrees, so you'd need to think carefully about subject and location.

    When you leave the Corps there are some sectors that you just won't get a foot in the door without a degree, so it's useful in that sense. Of course that depends on what direction you want to go, and in some cases a generic segree is adequate, as already highlighted some vocational degrees are needed for other career paths.

    Nobody can tell you to go, or not go, to Uni. People can only give you their views. Your life is your responsibility. My opinion is that having a degree gives you options which you wouldn't otherwise have, but it's not essential and many successful people in general and specifically in all three services have managed without. If you seriously think that going to Uni would be a waste of time and money, you may be right.
  7. You don't come across as being sure of either option. Not knowing what the job is about with all the information that is available from both official sources ie an AFCO or the RN/RM site or from Unofficial sources such as RR shows that you should spend a bit of time browsing/visiting those.
    If you're not fully committed to either option right from the start you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
    Do some research and then sit down and weigh up the pros and cons, be honest with yourself and don't rush into a decision.
    Good luck.
  8. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    For what it's worth, if you're going to do a degree, you should aim to do a vocational one.

    Sports Science is about as useful as a degree about Forensic Science- neither will get you a job in either titled subject unless you want to work in a sports shop or teach the history of forensic science to the next generation of gullible individuals.

    Good luck!
  9. Thanks for the reply, whats a dhobi?

    Im going on a army officer insight course to get a better idea of what being a commisoned officer is like unfortuantley its not the Marines but it is the closest thing i can get to it
  10. Washing, yourself or your kit. If and when you get into the Corps all will become mud.
  11. You go to school and they're talking about universities?

    Surely they'd be talking about colleges right?
  12. Or if you ever serve in Belize, ask for a Hoop Dhobi. Or a Trombone. Enjoy.
  13. Oi lofty i have a sports science degree with outdoor education and it hasn't done me any harm. Yes granted i'm not teaching at the moment but i hope to use it to my advantage within the next few years. Qualifications are what you make of them!!
  14. Why not go to university, and join RMR whilst there, or is that too obvious?

    Obvious again, but make sure to attend a uni near a RMR unit - eg London, Bristol, Exeter/ Plymouth (?), Liverpool (?). Bit of research needed - if you can't manage that, then it suggests you're not up to either option!

    Having a degree will not do you any harm re the Corps - and it appears that these days, like the Army, most officers are graduates of one sort or another!?

    On the other hand, if you really are not interested in university, then don't waste your time (and money!) - go straight to the Marines; you can always go to uni after a few years' service if that's what you later decide would be a good option. From my perspective (old git), 21/ 22 is still barely out of nappies, and these days anything up to 40% of undergraduate students are in the "mature" (ie 21 & over) category.

    BTW, I'm prejudiced, but if I were you I probably would not do either Sports Sci or Management undergrad degrees - IMO, such should be the preserve of post grad students seeking specialist quals after a bit of "real life/ work experience". Look at Biological Sciences, Human Sciences, Politics/ Economics, or even the dread Sociology! If, BTW, you're doing Maths A level (?), then look for degree courses where you can take that further - painful though it may be, in the long run, practically any employer will value higher level mathematical skills; same principle applies re any Science A level you may be doing.

    Hope this helps - best wishes.

  15. Fully agree. Many years ago I joined the RNR for 4-5 years before joining the RN. It will give you a large advantage. Also look at joining the TA etc. However, there is one big difference between them and now, and that is that joining the reserves today means that you are likely to do a deployment somewhere hot. I think that this is right, but you have to bear this in mind if doing a degree.

    By the way, I have met several ordinary Marines who have degrees. I was going to say "normal" Marines then realised that that would be an oxymoron! ;)

    Either is a good option. Why not try joining the Marines after A-levels as a Marine, but still apply to University as a backup?
  16. Squeezable,
    For whats its worth this is what i would do if I had my time again, get yourself to Uni join OTC whilst you are there, you would get an insight of military life and your degree also get paid at the same time, dependent on the Arm you could spend your time with a regiment and/or do the one month TA officers course and associated courses to become commissioned at sandhurst, once you complete your degree you can do what you want!!

    Good Luck Mate
  17. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    You took your time to rise to that one!

    The problem is that with the huge proliferation of supposed degrees being invented by universities to get bums on seats (such as the hugely lucrative 4 year Masters currently offered) as a revenue generator, the value of a degree is being eroded as they are becoming the norm rather than exception.

    A good example is the huge popularity of "CSI" (TV series) related degrees offered by universities which award a BA sexily entitled "Forensic Science" which makes you no more qualified to be a forensic scientist than a Public Service Course makes you qualified to join the Armed Forces. In short, people are being conned.
  18. Ninja

    Wholeheartedly agree with you mate but as i said its what you do with the qualifications once you get around to passing them.
  19. I would recommend he gets a degree out of the way early. I took one when I was 18-21 and have almost finished another by part time learning etc, and it is a lot harder doing it the second time round, though you do appreciate the opportunity more. Also, as you get older family pressures etc make it a lot harder.

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