Unique Medical issue HELP

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  1. I have completed my RT and passed for M&H warfare specialist. I have my interview next Monday. I am a chef who has been in full time employment for 3 years. I suffered with ADHD at school and was medicated asuch with Methylphenidate Hydrochloride. After I left school I moved out of my parents and have been living with friends for 6 years un medicated and symptom free. About half a year ago I was offered a leading position as a full time comis chef. I decided after a few weeks that I should start taking a miniscule dose of Methylphenidate Hydrochloride again 18mg which is the smallest dose available. I did this because I know that I am better organised and more careful when I am on my medication. So I asked my GP and he said that a small dose of Methylphenidate Hydrochloride would help me out. I started taking 18mg a day and sure enough it helped loads and I excelled greatly in my new position. In regards to my application to join the royal navy. I am certain that even though I was free from medication for more than half a decade, and have only started taking it in the last few months. That I will certainly fail my medical test. And even though I shall appeal the decision both myself and with professional statements. That, with all due respect, in this still very primatively, psychologically discriminative employment process.
    It is highly probable that I will still fail, even in this very unique if nothing else situation that I'm in.

    Any advice or opinions, past experiences, knowledge would be vastly apprecited.
    Thank you.
  2. No 1 - It is unlikely to be unique.

    No 2 - It is discriminatory for a reason, and that does not necessarily make it primitive.

    No 3 - You seem to have already set yourself up to fail - are you aware of the current medical standards?

    No 4 - Have you discussed this with your AFCO?

    Just standing in while you stand by for Ninja_Stoker to give you more pertinent advice . . .
  3. It is definitely unique as there are less than 3000 people in country who have stopped taking ritalin as a child and then started again as an adult.
    I am aware that 3 years with no symptoms and medication will allow a medical pass if adhd is present on the candidates medical record.
    I don't understand what you mean by "already set myself up to fail"?
    And No I haven't yet told AFCO I dont see what difference it would make at this stage given the fact that they haven't asked me although they will in my selection interview next week. But either way I will appeal it as it's completely ufair in my opinion to reject someone on the basis of having a hormone known as dopamine absent from my brain. Even though I clearly can cope better than the vast majority of people in a highly socially and mentally stressful proffesion
  4. At no point did I read "having consulted the RN, AFCO or similarly qualified person who is intimately familiar with the current recruitment process" although I do recognise that venturing onto this site was your means of doing so, but I would tentatively say that this is misguided because whatever you get from here will not confirm your rejection or success in any reliable manner.

    You don't know yet - you haven't taken the medical. If it were that much of a concern, your AFCO could give you pertinent advice as a starting point.
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  5. Thank you for your responses. I'm sorry for not being more clear as to why I wished to ask this question. To be honest with you, I'm just really really looking forward to being in the navy and I want it so badly that I'm really worried what kind of impact it's going to have on me if I fail. Having the best career in the world ripped out from under your nose because of some something that you didn't choose and something that you know if nlanything makes you more suited for the job. Imagine how that would feel! If you had this happen to you I mean. Imagine how horrible it would make you feel inside knowing that even though you spent your whole life struggling to cope with a psychological disorder and to prevail only to be told that your not good enough even though you know for a fact you are. I was looking for some kind of reassurance in anyway shape or form because I want this job more than anything in the world right now and it's really breaking me inside knowing how likely it is that I will be deemed unfit.
  6. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    The medical standards for entry are non-negotiable unfortunately.

    Qualified clinical evidence is required to dispute medical suitability for service rather than a personal or professional opinion that something is "unfair" or discriminatory because it does not coincide with the individual's career aspirations. Decisions regarding psychological conditions are certainly not undertaken without just cause.

    The standards for entry are as much to safeguard the individual as much as the service and if an individual feels they are in need of prescription medication and their GP agrees they need it, then it is rather difficult to retrospectively claim it wasn't required or it is no longer relevant.

    The standards applied are intended to protect the wellbeing of the individual as well as those who may rely upon the individual in a unique occupation that could take them to a combat situation, whilst under extreme physical and mental duress, in a variety of environmental conditions.

    Ultimately, it's the medical examiner's decision once in possession of the full details, not the AFCOs call.

    When the Medical Questionnaire is completed by the applicant they also sign a consent form permitting access to their complete medical history.

    Good luck.
  7. I have every sympathy with you, but at this point in time you have not taken the medical so you do not know for sure that you will fail, BUT looking at this under "psychological" I can see why you have concerns.

    From what you have said it was your choice to start back on the Methylphenidate Hydrochloride, although your GP has to have been complicit as this must be prescription based and not over-the-counter.

    The dose looks strange as well - usually it is in multiples of 5 - 5mg, 10mg, 20mg, 40mg. How do you get 18mg?

    I am not an expert in the recruitment process nor am I medically qualified beyond a relatively basic level, so my intervention in this discussion is just this side of meaningless anyway. But there is a reason why the armed forces (the clue is in the name) have much stricter requirements than any other general profession or trade. You have had your heart set on it - fair enough. But you sound like you already have a fall-back position in which you can be successful and if you do fail to get in, you simply change tack and make a go of your career in food preparation, and do not dwell on "what-could-have-been". Deal with the here-and-now and plan for what is realistically within your grasp.

    Don't write anything off until you have had your interview.
  8. Thank you for your response, all of the imformation and wish of luck I appriciate it. I have a feeling that I'm going to need some luck.
  9. Thank you Dredd I appreciate the information and advice. It's weird, your right 18mg. Even more weird thoughis that the next step up is 27mg and the 36mg in jumps of 9mg up until 54mg. I think it has something to do with the fact that they are prolonged release as opposed to dissolve in stomach. Do you think that the fact that I took them on my own accord as opposed to by doctors orders may make a difference?

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