It is the old 'ice cream suit' super-smart for extremely formal occasionsTaz_786 said:
A few of the points I can answer - the black jumper is winter rig - a relatively corse jumper that is supposed to be worn in place of the white front in cold weather. I've only ever seen it worn once in the '90s and is/was very unpopular with the JRs - is it still issue?Gook said:It looks like the one the Americans wear in all their films, accompanied by cliched salutes and quotes such as "You can be my wingman any time!" - there again I suppose if its RN tradition then why not?
While we're on this subject can anyone shed any light on another query, I have a photgraph of my grandfather in his seamans suit from the Second World War, his jumpers collar is the same black colour as the rest of the jumper and there are no three white lines on it. The whitefront underneath isnt white at all but looks black as well (its a black and white photo). His cap is black too and he has no lanyard either. What uniform was this?
Also the badge on his arm is of a lightning bolt with 2 wings either side of it. What trade does this denote? He was something to do with wireless I have been told.
Edited to add: His cap tally doesnt bear the name of a ship but just HMS. Was he waiting to be posted to a ship when this was taken then?
Well, you have a lot of Matelots moving around the country in wartime, joining ships, going on leave, going on courses etc. Lets say a ship is just leaving build, enemy spies will suddenly see lots of sailors with, for example, the cap tally HMS COMPASS ROSE, on the trains, buses etc travelling to a Chatham, or Guzz, or Pompey etc. They'll know that ship is about to commission. Similarly, they can keep an eye on what units have arrived, without having to look suspicious by viewing the port area, just by what sailors cap tallies are in port. Movements of a Ships company joining or leaving a ship can be tracked - not a good thing in wartime - ie of there are lots of them on the trains from the same ship you know that the ship is probably going to spend more than a few days alongside.Gook said:I think the non-named cap tally to hide units thing is very funny, obviously spies wouldnt just get a hotel with a sea view and train a pair of binoculars on the ships in the harbour then!!
Double breasted suit jacket? Pongos have been filled in for less. They'll tell you that our (Officers'/WOs'/SRs' ) best uniform is nasty (but not as nasty as the Crabs' No1s). It's just a civvy suit jacket with some fancy buttons and badges etc. I see what Percy means but they are still basstards!By reefer you mean the doublebreasted suit jacket?