BBC News - Ukrainian MPs vote to oust President Yanukovych#

As this has been headline news for a few days now, I'm throwing it in CA for debate.

Although the situation is changing by the hour, the latest speculation is that the country could split into two,
East Ukraine and West Ukraine. With uncle Vlad controlling the gas tap, it could get very interesting.

In the old days the Soviets would just send the tanks in......but this ain't the old days.


War Hero
Fully agree, the sight of Baroness Ashton glorying in the spotlight the other day made me cringe. Methinks we hope in vain SD, the EU is a self perpetuating monster IMO.
I see it that way too. The kind of people the EU attracts to run it won't rest until it's so big as to be unmanageable. They won't recognise that or admit it, though, until that state is actually arrived at. In many cases, it also follows that utopic dream of international socialism. It looks more like a bloody nightmare to me.
It's a tricky one, closer ties with the EU or Russia. Either way let us hope that no more have to die but I won't be holding my breath.
I don't believe they can have it both or the other.....or part company...... East Ukraine and West Ukraine.....and, I fear, with Russia in the mix, more blood will be shed before this is over.


Lantern Swinger
Difficult one. Go with corruption and abuse of power or go with the Russians.

Whatever the result lets hope the killing stops.


Book Reviewer
In this age of instant communication it's not surprising that certain countries are thinking..' Hey, I like the idea of democracy, freedom and the good life.' Snag is, nothing is that easy. With the EU expanding as it is, the only way is downwards for everyone.


War Hero
Yulia Tymoshenko has an unfortunate timbre to her voice, screechy, grating, excruciating. Perhaps she's in pain from her bad back. Some bloke was droning on on her behalf and he sounded equally unpleasant and the BBC's retained translator didn't drown them out. Hard to take in their messages as my ears bled.

Ukraine will need some continuity of peace before they will be considered for EU membership. I hope they are turned down. Ukrainian males; a thuggish looking bunch. I wouldn't spill their vodka.


Lantern Swinger
DruAde wrote
Difficult one. Go with corruption and abuse of power or go with the Russians.
Or they could join the EU for more Corruption and abuse of power........

I wonder if there are any shares available in the Ukrainain bus and cheap flights companies to the UK yet?
Looking at the map, west Ukraine is virually land locked. The majority of coastline is on the eastern side, including the strategically important Crimea peninsula.
Uncle Vlad will want a friendly port to park his war canoes and the old Soviet naval base at Sevastopol is ideal. Its a pleasant boat ride in the sun to visit his money in Cyprus. Cue Russian tanks rolling south as they did in Georgia/South Ossetia in 2008.


War Hero
Book Reviewer
part of the problem is Kruschev ceding the Crimea to the Ukraine which has added top the 'Russian' half of the population. As to Putin, bears, like leopards, don't change their spots.
I wonder what'll happen with the Black Sea fleet based in the Crimea, if the Ukraine allies its self with the EU.
Thats my point....(see #12)

The Russians don't want Ukraine in the EU.....'cos the next step is NATO.... I remember the Cuban crisis of '62.... foreign missiles in one's back yard.....not nice,
tempers could get a bit thing you know....instant sunshine....and Chicken Kiev is off the menu.

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