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UCAS Points Clarification

Altieri

Midshipman
Hey,

Just to explain, I'm applying to enter as a Warfare Officer. The qualification requirements are 140 UCAS points from 2 or more subjects. No degree necessary.

I originally applied for this role last year after finishing my degree. I was knocked back because of my college level qualifications (120 points from an AVCE, similar to a GNVQ, all in ICT). I was pointed towards the UCAS website to show which qualifications carried points etc... and on the back of that I've been doing an AS Level evening class to gain the extra 40 UCAS points (and extra subject) I needed.

Browsing these forums I have seen a remark along the lines of "AS Level points don't count, only A level points count." ... I was just wondering if someone could confirm that one way or another?

To me that would seem quite bizzare and would be very demoralising as I'm coming up 23, I've already done my time at college/uni and I was hoping to get all that well and truely out of the way by this summer. Don't think I can face another year of study at this level only to be 24/25 when entering the RN.

Thanks in advance,
Altieri
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Welcome to Rum Ration!

If you speak to your ACLO (Area Careers Liaison Officer) & take your certificates, they can advise their equivilancy toward the required 5 GCSE's (A*-C) including Maths & English plus 140 UCAS points at A level or equivalent- your ACLO can then advise which, if any qualifications/units are required to meet the Officer academic eligibility threshold. This is actually a little more complex than it first appears & the information on the official website is not particularly clear, simply because it's difficult to express.

To transfer equivalent qualifications (NVQ, HNC, HND etc) to UCAS points they must be accredited and the total must be made up of at least TWO non-ovelapping subjects. (To achieve 140 UCAS points at A Level you will need a minimum of grades B, B & C (50+50+40 points) at AS level standard & this will need to be verified by the AIB, depending on their acceptance/approval. BUT, if you go on to A2 level & score lower grades, the AS Level grade points will not count.)

Generally the concept for accepting 140 UCAS points at AS Level is for candidates well over 18 who have left education but need the 140 points as a minimum requirement for entry as an Officer. An example of this would be someone who left school after completing GCSE's & started an accredited Apprenticeship, earning an NVQ or has graduated without A Levels, which, depending on the subject taken, has an equivalent to AS Levels with regard UCAS points. Such instances have to be evaluated on an individual basis at the AIB.

Anyone aged 16-18 would be advised to get the points at A2 Level otherwise it would question their motivation & ability to complete their education & would probably not go down particularly well with regard being forwarded for selection after completing AIB.

You can apply for a commission from within the service with just the GCSE's, but you ideally a younger candidate needs A2's not AS's to join directly as an officer.

Why are GCSE & A Levels required when you have a Degree? Because you need to prove a broad-based educational background.

Hope that helps, subject to Chico's verification & good luck.
 

Altieri

Midshipman
Thanks a lot for your help.

Today I also got a an email reply from the AIB.

I'll quote it here for future reference:

As confirmed in the last e-mail to you, the educational requirement for officer entry to the Royal Navy is a minimum of 5 GCSEs grade A - C including Maths and English Language plus 140 UCAS points from a minimum of 2 non-overlapping level 3 qualifications.

At this time we can accept a grade C in an AS level (40 UCAS points) which is totally unrelated to ICT. We would need written proof that you have been entered for the examination before we could proceed, as well as the AVCE certificate prvoing that it is a double AVCE (120 UCAS points). The certificate I currently hold is only for a single AVCE award (60 UCAS points).

The education requirement may change in the future, but as you have been advised that a garde C at AS Level in an unrelated subject will suffice, we will houour this decision.

Please send the second AVCE certificate and proof of being entered in the AS level exam and we can advise you further.

Should you have any further queries please do not hesitate to contact me.

Regards

Altieri
 
Does this imply a change in entry requirements is imminent?

'The education requirement may change in the future, but as you have been advised that a garde C at AS Level in an unrelated subject will suffice, we will houour this decision.'
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
The minumim requirement of 140 UCAS points will very likely be changed in the near future, for all NEW applicants. As previously advised those who are borderline would be best advised to apply NOW.

To give a clue in which direction the UCAS points requirement is headed, a potential Student Naval Nurse currently needs 200 UCAS points at A level standard (or equivalent).
 

AndyRamage

Midshipman
As I understand from my situation...

Your whole A-Level grades as in A2 and AS combined are counted from A-E (E being the lowest grade) however you can include your AS Grades if for example you gave up after AS exams that are Grade A-C

For example..

I got

3 A-Levels (C,D,E)

but I also got

A 'C' AS in General Studies which also counted towards my UCAS score.

So in summary because what I've wrote above is probably unreadable bollocks if you get A-C at AS and give up before A2 provided you got between A-C their UCAS value is counted.
 

Don87

Lantern Swinger
We just have "Highers" in Scotland, none of this AS/A2/A level bull shit lol.

Have your education in Scotland. Save yourself a headache, and also learn how to malky someone.

What more could you ask for?
 
Altieri said:
Hey,Snippety Snip

Just to explain, No degree necessary.

I originally applied for this role last year after finishing my degree.

Altieri

Erm, so you HAVE a degree, but this still isn't good enough so you are trying to top up points with an AS level ?

Yours,

Confused of Guzz.
 

Altieri

Midshipman
Lamri said:
Altieri said:
Hey,Snippety Snip

Just to explain, No degree necessary.

I originally applied for this role last year after finishing my degree.

Altieri

Erm, so you HAVE a degree, but this still isn't good enough so you are trying to top up points with an AS level ?

Yours,

Confused of Guzz.

Yeah I know, seems crazy. But thems the rules.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Yep, just to clarify: a degree on its own is not acceptable:

Ninja_Stoker said:
Why are GCSE & A Levels required when you have a Degree? Because you need to prove a broad-based educational background.

Hope that helps, subject to Chico's verification & good luck.
 
Erm.... things have certainly changed since 1979, when you could become an ossifer with just 2 good A Levels (grade C and above) and the foreknowledge of the correct handling of a knife and fork ;)

An oppo of mine at school in 1979 actually failed to get into Sandhurst with two Grade A's at A level because he didn't know how to use a knife & fork correctly, he didn't speak the Queen's English and probably the real reason: he went to a state comprehensive.
 

Altieri

Midshipman
Just an update. Was at the careers office today and apparently the minimum requirements HAVE gone up. You now need 180 UCAS points (equivolent to 2 B's at A Level) for the warfare officer position.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
Altieri said:
Just an update. Was at the careers office today and apparently the minimum requirements HAVE gone up. You now need 180 UCAS points (equivolent to 2 B's at A Level) for the warfare officer position.

They WILL go up when the recruiting instruction is issued, but at close of play today (17:00), it hadn't been issued. You are completely right that it is about to go up for ALL specialisations, including graduates.

Those that take their A2's this summer that haven't already made an application will undoubtedly need to have 180 rather than 140 UCAS points.

The moral is to submit a completed application form now rather than later if you have less than 180 UCAS points. Possibly the ACLO's have been briefed not to take applications off individuals with less than the 180 points, but as far as everyone else is concerned, it ain't happened. Yet.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
As long as you're academically qualified & are recommended by your Divisional Officer (ie: you haven't established a track record of being an utter plonker), then there's very little anyone can do other than permit you to attend AIB.

As with everyone else attending AIB, you are selected by how well you score on AIB and are in competition with all others in that particular trade. You equally may not get selected.

About 30% of RN & RM Officers gained a commission "in service" rising to around 40% in the engineering disciplines.
 
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