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TS Royalist - Red Ensign?

Pandaplodder

Badgeman
I've seen a video of Royalist on a trip to Cherbourg a few years ago, anyone know why she had a red ensign being flown instead of the SCC Blue? All I can think of was that there were no RN watch officers on board.
 
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Aha - So yet another bee has taken up residence within your Bonnet, eh @Pandaplodder?

The curious conditions relating to the privileges & conditions associated with wearing Ensigns (White*/Red/Blue defaced/undefaced) are wide & complex. Those of leisure craft are largely unpoliced but jealously guarded by those who strictly observe their entitlement [and guaranteed to boil the p*ss of those in the know who spot what they consider to be 'a wrong 'un'!]

Having been out of loop for too long I cannot readily point you towards the full Monty of those "curious conditions" other than suggesting that you try asking your Original Question at the TS Royalist Shore Office at:

Sea Cadets Tel: 02392 765252 [email protected]



*White Ensign - Unique to RN Vessels in commission and, exceptionally, by the leisure craft of entitled members of the Royal Yacht Squadron: One of the most prestigious and exclusive yacht clubs in the world.
<<...In 1829 the Admiralty issued a warrant to wear what is now the Navy’s white ensign. The burgee, in compliment, is differenced with a St George’s cross and crown. Lord Yarborough’s Falcon led a rally to Cherbourg in 1831. In 1833 the Club became the Royal Yacht Squadron by command of His Majesty King William IV...>>

From https://www.rys.org.uk/the-rys/history/timeline



Hope this helps & interested to hear the results of your researches into this subject..

Bob L
 

Salty-Dog

War Hero
The current TS Royalist was built in Spain in 2014/5 and handed over to the Marine Society in 2015. The old Royalist was sadly scrapoed in Ghent, Belgium.
I suppose it's possible that it stopped in Cherbourg on it's way to the UK, in which case, I believe, it would've flown the Red Ensign as it hadn't been handed over.

 

Pandaplodder

Badgeman
The current TS Royalist was built in Spain in 2014/5 and handed over to the Marine Society in 2015. The old Royalist was sadly scrapoed in Ghent, Belgium.
I suppose it's possible that it stopped in Cherbourg on it's way to the UK, in which case, I believe, it would've flown the Red Ensign as it hadn't been handed over.

The video is the old Royalist in 2003 on a trip to Cherbourg on a "Shackles cruise" whatever that is? See 34.40 for the said red duster. I thought the old Royalist was sold on to another charity? Plenty of sailing vessels built in 1971 still about!
 

Pandaplodder

Badgeman
Aha - So yet another bee has taken up residence within your Bonnet, eh @Pandaplodder?

The curious conditions relating to the privileges & conditions associated with wearing Ensigns (White*/Red/Blue defaced/undefaced) are wide & complex. Those of leisure craft are largely unpoliced but jealously guarded by those who strictly observe their entitlement [and guaranteed to boil the p*ss of those in the know who spot what they consider to be 'a wrong 'un'!]

Having been out of loop for too long I cannot readily point you towards the full Monty of those "curious conditions" other than suggesting that you try asking your Original Question at the TS Royalist Shore Office at:

Sea Cadets Tel: 02392 765252 [email protected]



*White Ensign - Unique to RN Vessels in commission and, exceptionally, by the leisure craft of entitled members of the Royal Yacht Squadron: One of the most prestigious and exclusive yacht clubs in the world.
<<...In 1829 the Admiralty issued a warrant to wear what is now the Navy’s white ensign. The burgee, in compliment, is differenced with a St George’s cross and crown. Lord Yarborough’s Falcon led a rally to Cherbourg in 1831. In 1833 the Club became the Royal Yacht Squadron by command of His Majesty King William IV...>>

From https://www.rys.org.uk/the-rys/history/timeline



Hope this helps & interested to hear the results of your researches into this subject..

Bob L
I know who and what can use which ensign, I'm asking why the Red duster was being flown from a vessel that should be using blue
 

Pandaplodder

Badgeman
Aha - So yet another bee has taken up residence within your Bonnet, eh @Pandaplodder?

Hope this helps & interested to hear the results of your researches into this subject..

Bob L
During lockdown I have watched Itchy boots going around half the world on a motorbike, several people doing continuous cruises of the UK canal network, and then the best some coastal and blue water sailing, I can't wait until I am able to go to the coast and get some decent fresh air!
 

Capn_Pugwash

War Hero
I've seen a video of Royalist on a trip to Cherbourg a few years ago, anyone know why she had a red ensign being flown instead of the SCC Blue? All I can think of was that there were no RN watch officers on board.
Having RN watch officers on board would be irrelevant to flying the blue ensign with the SCC badge in the fly. The Royalist (old and new) has maritime qualified SCC officers and not RN watchkeepers.
 
10/10 You seem to have answered your own Question (posed at #8)
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It has rained since then but (in an earlier role, whilst serving) I often liaised with the Royalist HQ folk to place JRs between assignments on gapped Royalist Training Cruise slots, sometimes at 48 hrs notice or less.

I imagine that the list of RN Watch Officers continues to grow & those qualified could have earned their W O Qualification either as a progression from their time aboard Royalist as former Sea Cadets and/or through opportunities offered & taken up via 'Adventurous Training' periods.

I always found the HQ staff friendly & most helpful in every respect and feel assured that, with the correct approach, they'd be prepared to engage with any interested inquirer, like yourself. and provide the 'Staff Answers' to the sort of queries you have raised: ref ensigns etc.
 

Dusty70

War Hero
Or could I offer another view............................................getting awfully tedious now, as said above by BOOTWU can someone just flipping ask them direct
 

Pandaplodder

Badgeman
Or could I offer another view............................................getting awfully tedious now, as said above by BOOTWU can someone just flipping ask them direct
I don't get the reference to shackles cruise, a shackles cruise is where a male takes off his wedding band because he is up to no good but there is a telltale sign that it is missing. To answer your question they probably won't know nor care!

I've posted two videos, one of the red duster and the other which despite comments previously in this thread that there are no RN Warchkeepers, proof that there are indeed two S/Lts who are indeed Royalist watchkeepers
 
Sigh - The OP's bee is still busily buzzing, his belief is that those able and available to provide the Staff Answers "...probably won't know nor care!..."

Curious that a former Sea Cadet himself the OP cannot be arsed to inquire of the Staff so I see no point in continuing to drag this thread around in endless circles.

In short - Include me out & bye bye, saddo.
 

Pandaplodder

Badgeman
Sigh - The OP's bee is still busily buzzing, his belief is that those able and available to provide the Staff Answers "...probably won't know nor care!..."

Curious that a former Sea Cadet himself the OP cannot be arsed to inquire of the Staff so I see no point in continuing to drag this thread around in endless circles.

In short - Include me out & bye bye, saddo.
Ok, saddo thanks for your contribution :)
 
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