Tried but Failed before I explode

#1
I posted about 5 weeks ago after struggling with my initial entry in to the RNR.
I have given it 5 weeks, not long I know, but have just posted my resignation letter...do I win a prize for shortest RNR career!!!

I am 38, my peer group at my unit is aged 17-20....lovely people, but different world to me..
There has been little effort to take in to account my age or previous service...I never expected favours, but I assumed there would be a common sense approach..
next week the phoenetic alphabet...a is for ardvaark....b is for boobie...no sorry I cant do it.
I am so relieved, but also very disapointed with myself, and the RNR.
 

Dabs

Lantern Swinger
#3
tattooedjim said:
I posted about 5 weeks ago after struggling with my initial entry in to the RNR.
I have given it 5 weeks, not long I know, but have just posted my resignation letter...do I win a prize for shortest RNR career!!!

I am 38, my peer group at my unit is aged 17-20....lovely people, but different world to me..
There has been little effort to take in to account my age or previous service...I never expected favours, but I assumed there would be a common sense approach..
next week the phoenetic alphabet...a is for ardvaark....b is for boobie...no sorry I cant do it.
I am so relieved, but also very disapointed with myself, and the RNR.
What's the problem matey? If you aren't cut out for something then do something you are good at.
 

Dabs

Lantern Swinger
#5
Ninja_Stoker said:
Dabs said:
tattooedjim said:
very disapointed with myself, and the RNR.
What's the problem matey? If you aren't cut out for something then do something you are good at.
Quite. Perhaps you should've joined as an Officer.

Admiral perhaps? :thumright:
Oooohh, bit below the belt there man. Mind you, that's why the Navy invented Killicks, then Senior Rates and WO's.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
#6
Apologies to Tattooed Jim, but at what level of training does someone "new entry" expect to start at?

I'm not RNR, but there has to be a base level & unless I'm well off track, I'd doubt there is enough flexibility in the training process to tailor it so's you can miss the bits you happen to already know.

I remember feeling patronised, aged 19 when learning drill, that someone felt it necessary to remind me, as I marched, in which order to use ones' left & right feet.
 
#9
tattooedjim said:
I posted about 5 weeks ago after struggling with my initial entry in to the RNR.
I have given it 5 weeks, not long I know, but have just posted my resignation letter...do I win a prize for shortest RNR career!!!

I am 38, my peer group at my unit is aged 17-20....lovely people, but different world to me..
There has been little effort to take in to account my age or previous service...I never expected favours, but I assumed there would be a common sense approach..
next week the phoenetic alphabet...a is for ardvaark....b is for boobie...no sorry I cant do it.
I am so relieved, but also very disapointed with myself, and the RNR.
I am surprised at your experience not being taken into account by the New Entry training officer. My experience of the New Entry Divisions in 2 RTCs is that if they KNOW that you have prior experience then the training staff will do their upmost to get you from the training stream and into a branch as quick as possible so that you are (1) listed as being on the trained strength as soon as possible and (2) not getting hacked off sitting in New Entry going through the basics again.

As Phil has said above I too would be interested to know which unit you went to, especially if its the one I attend so I can have a word.

As to shortest RNR career I feel there may be others far shorter who attended the introduction evening, passed the interview and tests and even drawn kit but who have never seen an RTC doorway ever again.

LTP
 
#10
LostThePlot said:
tattooedjim said:
I posted about 5 weeks ago after struggling with my initial entry in to the RNR.
I have given it 5 weeks, not long I know, but have just posted my resignation letter...do I win a prize for shortest RNR career!!!

I am 38, my peer group at my unit is aged 17-20....lovely people, but different world to me..
There has been little effort to take in to account my age or previous service...I never expected favours, but I assumed there would be a common sense approach..
next week the phoenetic alphabet...a is for ardvaark....b is for boobie...no sorry I cant do it.
I am so relieved, but also very disapointed with myself, and the RNR.
I am surprised at your experience not being taken into account by the New Entry training officer. My experience of the New Entry Divisions in 2 RTCs is that if they KNOW that you have prior experience then the training staff will do their upmost to get you from the training stream and into a branch as quick as possible so that you are (1) listed as being on the trained strength as soon as possible and (2) not getting hacked off sitting in New Entry going through the basics again.

As Phil has said above I too would be interested to know which unit you went to, especially if its the one I attend so I can have a word.

As to shortest RNR career I feel there may be others far shorter who attended the introduction evening, passed the interview and tests and even drawn kit but who have never seen an RTC doorway ever again.

LTP
I agree, a good training officer should guage it and use the ex Regs (or even ex RNR) experience to his/her advantage, using them as a mentor to the other NEs, respecting their time served, and making them feel valued while they refresh their knowledge etc.. Mind you, this don't work if you've got some gobshite know it all. But he/she should be able to manage this type too.
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
#11
LostThePlot said:
I am surprised at your experience not being taken into account by the New Entry training officer. My experience of the New Entry Divisions in 2 RTCs is that if they KNOW that you have prior experience then the training staff will do their upmost to get you from the training stream and into a branch as quick as possible so that you are (1) listed as being on the trained strength as soon as possible and (2) not getting hacked off sitting in New Entry going through the basics again.
Ninja_Stoker said:
The AFCO Form 4 (Application form, page 3, requires that you complete your former service details). Usually you return this form to the AFCO via the RNR & the RNR takes a copy for their records- whether they read it is up to the individual RNR unit.

To be fair, the RNR may not be aware of your former service if you made your application exclusively at the AFCO as the AFCO will not forward your paperwork (Pre-Entry Papers) until you have passed all stages of the selection process. Assuming you told your RNR induction people you had former service, then I'm afraid your treatment can only be put down to personalities in your particular unit.
 
#13
Thanks to everyone who replied..as I tried to put accross in my original post...I am also disapointed with myself.
I hold no grudges with the RNR, and to some extent wish I could have held on.
I joined the RAF in 1986 befor tranferring to the RN in 1991..I left in 1999 turning down promotion to PO and tranfer to Reg branch to join the Civvy Police, where I remain today.
I was lead to believe certain things would happen, which on joining my unit, it soon became clear was not the case..
I did not expect to join as an officer as some wise cracker commented-I was an AB...which I totally expected..
I did a NERT test in week 3--only got 67%, which proves to me that I needed to refresh stuff (I got nearly every RNR history wrong..basic Navy stuff was easy..)
A lot of the problems were entirely me...I did not do my home work enough on what was expected..
My peer group were a great bunch, but I felt so old, and if I was honest,, some were the type of kids I stop and deal with every Friday and Saturday night for silly behaviour..(I am not saying they are crims..am just explaining from my point of view)
I found the organisation very poor...I also found a couple of people enjoyed the power of the uniform and higher rate/rank (what a cheek coming from a copper!!)
Maybe I was a bit shocked that the people my age were now all chiefs or PO's and so I could not even have a drink with them after drill night cause of the seperate messes.
Also the silliness of seperate officers toilets reminded me of the class system alive and kicking in the Royal Navy..

The RNR is great..just I have decided not for me...maybe I saw it through rose tinted glasses thinking of my old Navy days.

Any way, I am just trying to explain with no malice to anyone..
 

Ninja_Stoker

War Hero
Moderator
#15
tattooedjim said:
Maybe I was a bit shocked that the people my age were now all chiefs or PO's and so I could not even have a drink with them after drill night cause of the seperate messes.
Also the silliness of seperate officers toilets reminded me of the class system alive and kicking in the Royal Navy..

The RNR is great..just I have decided not for me...maybe I saw it through rose tinted glasses thinking of my old Navy days.

Any way, I am just trying to explain with no malice to anyone..
Jim,

I couldn't agree with you more, it is ridiculous that there are 6 different designated bogs/showers on board. (M/F Officer, Senior Rates/Junior Rates) & similarly when we all go ashore to socialise in the pub, the de-markation ends.

It's a bit of a peculiar one that, as a senior rate I've often been invited into a Junior Rates bar & made more than welcome by the vast majority, however some feel (justifiably) as though you're invading their space. Imagine if the Commanding Officer of your shore establishment popped in for a beer at the JR's bop each week. (Yes, doubtless one or two personalities can get away with it, but not many)

I have also been invited for drinks in many Wardrooms & although been made to feel extremely welcome (absolutely without exception) my own nature has made me feel slightly ill at ease. Mind you this is my own fault as a Chief Stoker with my Grat issue of Tourettes' profanities just itching to flow forth, especially after a beer. Possibly a Stoker in the Wardroom is not the best example of Debrett's Etiquette perhaps, but it certainly works when "getting the job done" in stressful situations- not good in social circumstances, granted.

What it all boils down to, ablutions aside, is that generally my feeling is the separate messes are mostly representative of the types of pubs each groups are more likely to frequent. It was never uncommon to have a 3 badge AB, a lot older than his messmates, quite content to be where he was. Those that felt uneasy sought promotion into what they feel is a more comfortable peer group.

It's interesting what some may perceive as a class system - it exists in types public houses, where you live, the type of house you have, the car you drive, everywhere, but is usually only observed by those that feel victim of it & don't want to be where they are.

Anyway Jim, best of luck in whatever you chose to do mate. :thumright:
 
#16
You have been badly let down by the unit NETO. I would hope changes will be made but, being a pragmatist, doubt it.
All the best mate.
 
#17
Ninja_Stoker said:
tattooedjim said:
Maybe I was a bit shocked that the people my age were now all chiefs or PO's and so I could not even have a drink with them after drill night cause of the seperate messes.
Also the silliness of seperate officers toilets reminded me of the class system alive and kicking in the Royal Navy..

The RNR is great..just I have decided not for me...maybe I saw it through rose tinted glasses thinking of my old Navy days.

Any way, I am just trying to explain with no malice to anyone..
Jim,

I couldn't agree with you more, it is ridiculous that there are 6 different designated bogs/showers on board. (M/F Officer, Senior Rates/Junior Rates) & similarly when we all go ashore to socialise in the pub, the de-markation ends.

It's a bit of a peculiar one that, as a senior rate I've often been invited into a Junior Rates bar & made more than welcome by the vast majority, however some feel (justifiably) as though you're invading their space. Imagine if the Commanding Officer of your shore establishment popped in for a beer at the JR's bop each week. (Yes, doubtless one or two personalities can get away with it, but not many)

I have also been invited for drinks in many Wardrooms & although been made to feel extremely welcome (absolutely without exception) my own nature has made me feel slightly ill at ease. Mind you this is my own fault as a Chief Stoker with my Grat issue of Tourettes' profanities just itching to flow forth, especially after a beer. Possibly a Stoker in the Wardroom is not the best example of Debrett's Etiquette perhaps, but it certainly works when "getting the job done" in stressful situations- not good in social circumstances, granted.

What it all boils down to, ablutions aside, is that generally my feeling is the separate messes are mostly representative of the types of pubs each groups are more likely to frequent. It was never uncommon to have a 3 badge AB, a lot older than his messmates, quite content to be where he was. Those that felt uneasy sought promotion into what they feel is a more comfortable peer group.

It's interesting what some may perceive as a class system - it exists in types public houses, where you live, the type of house you have, the car you drive, everywhere, but is usually only observed by those that feel victim of it & don't want to be where they are.

Anyway Jim, best of luck in whatever you chose to do mate. :thumright:
Fully agree NS. I have always viewed it as a "preference system". If you prefer more money, or the company of other like minded people go for the promotion as that is where it is...
 

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