Trident Replacement

PussersMuddle

Midshipman
Those hippie, leftie, bleading hearts have started a petition against a Bomber replacement.
From MSN Money News..."Anti-nuclear campaigners are currently lobbying hard against any replacement, including via an online petition on the prime minister's own website".

Do we want to start a contra-petition in support of new boats for the boys? I bet we'd win...
 
I think that I have mentioned before, why new ones? the ones we have can do just as much damage and it would cost far less to keep the ones we`ve got, why spend billions when we can spend millions?
 

WarMonger

War Hero
Nothing like a debate about nukes to bring our the peace loving, tree hugging, long haired, smell fanny farting liberals who think that nuclear disarmament is an instant ticket to make sure Auntie Mable gets her hip replacement next week...!!

Get a fecking life you naive twats..!!

It was your peace loving/passifist crap that dropped us in the shit pre
1939.

Defence spending including nukes is still one of the smallest drains on GDP, and the government without nukes still wouldnt have enough money to manage a decent budget/services..!!

With knobs in North Korea, Syria, Iran etc etc all hankering for the exploding atom now is not the time to be ditching what is and has been a great deterrent.

If the liberals want us to try tightening our belts lets stop inviting every f**ker in to take advantage of our services free of charge!!
 

simonjgriffithshr

Lantern Swinger
For once I'm on the the Government's side, the side that will probably win! :) I can't see that any government of this country would seriously consider disarming our nuclear capabilities.

As one historian once said, the ability for Western Europe to be wiped off the map many times over (since the advent of nuclear weapons) has kept the region in the longest period of peace it has known.
 

Not_a_boffin

War Hero
higthepig said:
I think that I have mentioned before, why new ones? the ones we have can do just as much damage and it would cost far less to keep the ones we`ve got, why spend billions when we can spend millions?

You can't just extend the boats. Their hulls have a finite life. That's why we need new boats. The US are re-lifing the D5, so piggy back on that, stick a new missile compartment in an Astute front & back end and away you go. By far the most cost-effective way.
 
To maintain what we have means refurbishment of the Bus, REBs and the bang bits at very regular intervals, so the Berks and Oxon sites always have work.

As already posted, the A2D5s have lots of life left and are still in the maintenance Pool. Again, as said already, the boats don't last forever and least of all the reactors. Nothing worse than brittle trouser legs!
 
No government could survive politically if they decided to scrap our Independent Strategic Nuclear Deterrent, so I am quite confident that we will keep it...

...HOWEVER: what worries me is the decision (and apparently it has already been made) to upgrade rather than replace it. If it were to be entirely replaced with a new system this would have to come out of a central fund, however with the upgrade a great deal of the bill will be footed by the Royal Navy - and you know that both the Army and the RAF will be pushing hard for this to be the case as well.

If so, it could very well get to the stage that we need to sell-off surface platforms in order to afford the new V-boat replacements for the upgraded missile system. One has to question the logic behind the possible Government decision of sacrificing our conventional naval deterrent in order to maintain our strategic nuclear deterrent.
 

PussersMuddle

Midshipman
It's more than just having the bombers in the water. The INDEPENDENT bit is equally important, we wouldn't want to find ourselves in a position where we had to rely on anyone else (the French!). Many a politician fought hard and fast for this way back in the 50s & 60s (ah, bless 'em).

Its also about the technology and skills we have in the UK. The old adage 'once its gone, its gone' comes to mind. Similar current situation exists within aircraft industry in the UK and it'll probably come to pass in the next 10/15 years. If the UK decided to delay ordering new bombers, it would be just long enough for the current skills to retire/die/move on and as I said 'once its gone, its gone'. Yeah, refitting/updating the V boats would probably meet the immediate need but politically and for UK PLC wouldn't do very much.
 
I suppose that I must then fall into this camp. "peace loving, tree hugging, long haired, smell fanny farting liberals who think that nuclear disarmament is an instant ticket to make sure Auntie Mable gets her hip replacement next week...!!"

Not that I think it would help my Aunty Mable get a new hip. That will have to wait a Minister who is prepared to take on the Medical Establishment and stop the financial abuse, corruption, mismanagement and view the NHS is supplied for their own self gratification and career path than to treat sick people.

I would like to see the nuke boats scrapped and replaced by a dozen modern D/E boats on the Swedish design. Why does the UK, which is becoming more Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Channel Islands, OMan plus the disenfranchised rest of us in England a Federal State need a Nuclear Bomb. If one was ever dropped in anger the rest would all join in on the retaliate while we are still here and the World let alone UK will cease to exist as we know it. We would have to form a committee of "Stakeholders" to decide to use the bomb anyway.


"No government could survive politically if they decided to scrap our Independent Strategic Nuclear Deterrent, so I am quite confident that we will keep it..."

As only 30 odd % actually vote do you think the great unwashed non military public give a shit. That is unless you think the military will stage a coup if we give their toys away.

"It's more than just having the bombers in the water. The INDEPENDENT bit is equally important, we wouldn't want to find ourselves in a position where we had to rely on anyone else (the French!). Many a politician fought hard and fast for this way back in the 50s & 60s (ah, bless 'em)."

Why do we now, or ever, needed a Independent Deterrent when, unlike the frogs, we have never been independent. if the USA do we will if they don't neither will we. So what is the point.

Cut our losses now and return to RN vessels that have relevance in the 21st century.

Nutty
 
I am not completely sold on the idea of doing away with the deterent, but I would be delighted to see it completely disociated from the RN budget as I am convinced the RN has never been fully compensated for providing the deterent cover in place of Crabair
 

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