Treatment of Injured British Servicemen

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MIA
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Theres only Haslar left now, due to close as a Military Hospital shortly and as any sort of hospital within the next couple of years.

I accept all of the arguments about specialist medical skills being hard to retain, but don't believe its to much to ask that when people are recovering and the more complex treatment has been completed, that they should be among their own, sharing the rough humour of other Service people in an atmosphere that they feel both comfortable and safe in. For that reason alone, I believe Haslar should remain as the Military Hospital for the whole country.

Surely, especially for those with mental health problems there can be no better aid to a faster recovery.

Would it not be possible for the required expertise to be called for from among the NHS, I would have thought that there are plenty of people out there who would be only to happy to improve or gain further skills, by working with those that have given more than most do for their Country,
by doing a secondment from their normal place of work.
 

JeffB

Badgeman
I don't think it would be affordable for the MoD to go it alone and provide a hospital on the right scale but perhaps there is some mileage in a PFI style new-build in which the MoD stakes a firm claim to exclusive use in time of crisis and reverts to NHS use (income generation) when demand allows. Not sure that this would present well with Joe public though (Why was Aunt Ethel kicked out of her bed to make way for a squaddie?). Probably a bit of a non-starter
 

F169

War Hero
silverfox said:
Interestingly enough there is an exact parallel issue going on with the Americans over the treatmenat of their injured at their Walter Reed Military hospital......... Just goes to show that we are not alone in this case and the grass is definately not greener....

Sorry to disagree - Walter Reed is but one cog in a big wheel and the grass is definitely greener in the US. For example just in San Antonio (traditionally an Air Force town) you will find:
Brooke Army Medical Centre
"Brooke Army Medical Center is a modern state-of-the-art, 450-bed health care facility that provides level-one trauma and graduate medical education.... It has 1.5 million square feet of operational space and a normal bed capacity of 450, of which 48 are ICU beds and 40 are dedicated to the Institute of Surgical Research Burn Unit. The hospital is capable of expanding to 653 beds if needed to support a wartime mobilization.

AND

Wilford Hall Medical Center
"Wilford Hall Medical Center, the Air Force's largest medical facility, is a national resource, providing complete medical care to military healthcare beneficiaries in the south central United States as well as specialized care to patients referred from all over the world. Wilford Hall has four overall missions. The primary mission is military readiness; to train, to plan for contingencies and to prepare to deploy elements to forward areas around the world. As a second mission, Wilford Hall provides a worldwide referral center and operates a comprehensive community health care system for active duty military personnel and other beneficiaries. Third, Wilford Hall is the Air Force's foremost provider of medical education, providing the Air Force with some 65 percent of its physician specialists, 85 percent of dental specialists and a full spectrum of other training. The medical center's fourth mission is clinical investigations."


http://www.bamc.amedd.army.mil/
 

Bergen

ADC
silverfox said:
Interestingly enough there is an exact parallel issue going on with the Americans over the treatmenat of their injured at their Walter Reed Military hospital. From what I've seen it puts our issues into the shade - but they have reacted accordingly - the Secretary for the Army (Min AF sort of equivalent) has resigned, the 1* running the place has resigned and the 3* who set the place up and got promoted as a result has been forced to resign ie he jumped before he was pushed...

Just goes to show that we are not alone in this case and the grass is definately not greener....

At Walter Reed the axe also fell on several SNCO's who were deemed to have suspect integrity in passing bad-news up the chain, but the root cause appears to have been the politically motivated privatization of much of the hospital complex [where have we heard this before??].

There was a film clip of Walter Reed the other night; plush carpeted floors, antique furniture, flat-screen plasma TV's and private rooms. Very impressive until you listened to the voice-over where they explained that this was the VIP wing for the treatment of General Officers hemorrhoids and politicians Botox treatments. As a private soldier you have full access to the VIP wing;.......... but only if you have won the Medal of Honor.

The entire medical system here is creaking under the strain of the Iraq/Afghanistan wounded and one of the reasons appears to be that the true number of casualties has been under-reported and therefore under-resourced. The after-treatment of veterans is equally dire and it is not unusual to see homeless vets begging at traffic intersections. This is the stark reality that the "Yellow-Ribbon" patriots tend to ignore. I do some charity work for one of the organizations that tries to help but it is too little.

One of the clever things that both Bush and Bliar have done is to isolate most of the civilian population from what is really going on; fat and happy and with lots of mindless TV channels they are kept from asking why, by Presidential order, the Evac flights trundle in during darkness and the caskets of the dead are unloaded under tight security with no photographers present.

The Romans kept the Plebs quiet with Bread & Circuses.........we just use MacDonalds & American Idol.

RM
 
JeffB said:
I don't think it would be affordable for the MoD to go it alone and provide a hospital on the right scale but perhaps there is some mileage in a PFI style new-build.......

Don't need a new build. Haslar has several fully-functioning operating theatres, is among the cleanest hospitals in the UK and has huge potential for expansion. If the activity provided at the Rehab centre at Headley Court was transferred to Haslar, there would be more space for the numbers being treated, a psychiatric unit on hand (for the moment), a very pleasant, seaside position for those undergoing treatment and a local population that wants the facility to stay. It's big and it's old, but it's what the Forces needs and it's still ours (for a few more days). There's more than enough potential accommodation for Servicemens' families to stay on site, as well, but it'll cost a few bob!
 

stumpy

War Hero
asst_dep_to_dep_asst said:
JeffB said:
I don't think it would be affordable for the MoD to go it alone and provide a hospital on the right scale but perhaps there is some mileage in a PFI style new-build.......

Don't need a new build. Haslar has several fully-functioning operating theatres, is among the cleanest hospitals in the UK and has huge potential for expansion. If the activity provided at the Rehab centre at Headley Court was transferred to Haslar, there would be more space for the numbers being treated, a psychiatric unit on hand (for the moment), a very pleasant, seaside position for those undergoing treatment and a local population that wants the facility to stay. It's big and it's old, but it's what the Forces needs and it's still ours (for a few more days). There's more than enough potential accommodation for Servicemens' families to stay on site, as well, but it'll cost a few bob!

Now come on, stop talking sense, you know it will never catch on!
 
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