Treatment of Injured British Servicemen

This didn't really fit in the current thread on the treatment of US injured, but there are echoes of the same sentiments.

The press at the weekend and yesterday were full of what allegedly goes on at Selly Oak hospital, where our injured are brought by the medical evacuation chain from ops. I have no doubt that some of these gripes are well-founded, but to those who are now suggesting that any of this is the Service medical authorities' fault, certain retired senior Army officers among them, may I suggest a bit of self-recrimination? The Service hospitals whose passing you so lament were closed, or their closures were planned, on your watch.

There can be no doubt that the treatment available to Servicemen now is as good as, if not better than was available in the halcyon days of Haslar, Plymouth, Aldershot, Catterick, Ely, Halton, Wroughton and so on, but we do not have the exclusive military facilities that we would like for the recuperation phase of treatment because the bean-counters closed them.

Some of what has been written is, quite frankly, nonsense and it is to be hoped that the Service authorities will have the spine to refute the allegations of poor treatment in what is an old, but efficient hospital at Selly Oak. Lots of what goes on in hospitals is not ideal, but welcome to the modern world of healthcare. Hospitals are noisy places in comparison to our bedrooms at home, but that is the reality.

If you want the government to unpick the deliberations of Lawrence and so on, which led to the current situation, the only way to do it is to contact your MP and get him / her to ask questions at the right level in order to change what is happening.

PS 18 days to military withdrawal from Haslar!!
 
Are our lads and lasses getting the best possible treatment they deserve or are they getting the same lack of care so many public services are dishing out to normal members of the public.

For those that provide the safety net under which others benefit, should the government not put its hand in its coffers and pay for private treatment for them. They pay BUPA and other private hospitals for services now, should they make this a priority for returning war vets in need of medical attention.

All public services, not just the NHS, at best are providing shite services but PM in waiting wont admit that he needs to put taxes up to pay for improvements, he just gets his fellow MPs to talk bollox to try and cover up his Fcuk Ups.

Personnel suffering medically as a result of fighting on behalf of our government deserve the best in my opinion.
 
KLNA-Cessna-Jockey said:
Are our lads and lasses getting the best possible treatment

IMHO they are getting the best, given the constraints of the current situation. Don't get swayed by the thought that because BUPA is private it is the best. The old Service hospitals had some great things to offer because they were under Service management, but anybody who thinks that they were clinically better than a large district general hospital like Birmingham is living in cloud cuckoo.

I don't think that anybody likely to read and contribute to RR or Arrse would disagree with your point that injured Servicemen should receive the best, but that does not fit in with the save-money-at-all-costs regime currently in charge of UK plc.

Services medicine only becomes important when there is a problem. Rather than plan and provide for the sort of situation that we are now in, the powers that be in MOD have seen fit to denude the Defence Medical Service of any useful, expandable real-estate on the altar of capitalising on assets. So now, when we most need a facility to call our own, the only sizeable place in military hands that could be reasonably developed to provide for secure and excellent aftercare, ie Haslar, is being shunted into NHS hands while the MOD continues to pay for its upkeep. Barking, of course, but it's in the South of England, so how dare we even consider keeping it on?!
 

jungle_jim

Lantern Swinger
I think that you need to experience Sellyoak yourself for a period of time before you can pass it off as a well maintained and good provider of medical care for our injured. they cannot even provide security for those injured, as has happened with the press sat at bedsides of seriously injured soldiers. Thank god they were only press. i understand that they might be trying their best, but their best is clearly not good enough. why should be accept substandard service, i am sure yours and mine HOD would not accept substandard output, just cause everwhere else is as bad. as for asking questions at the right level then what better way than an official complaint through service. oh i know we will respond to your complaint within the alloted timescales stating that it was a one off and things will be in place to ensure that it never re-occurs RUBBISH. nothing has changed. our guys and girls are treated like second class as soon as it is know they are service as they know that they cannot get up and protest or even discharge themselves. as you have to sign hospital standing orders so you leave yourself open for a charge if you so much as miss a little bum fluff on your face after 10am. the best service given in Sellyoak is from the civilian welfare reps. its them who ensure those alone have someone to talk to
 

dt018a9667

War Hero
On a lighter note the bloody place has a lot to answer for I was born there many moons ago!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
asst_dep_to_dep_asst said:
This didn't really fit in the current thread on the treatment of US injured, but there are echoes of the same sentiments.

The press at the weekend and yesterday were full of what allegedly goes on at Selly Oak hospital, where our injured are brought by the medical evacuation chain from ops. I have no doubt that some of these gripes are well-founded, but to those who are now suggesting that any of this is the Service medical authorities' fault, certain retired senior Army officers among them, may I suggest a bit of self-recrimination? The Service hospitals whose passing you so lament were closed, or their closures were planned, on your watch.

There can be no doubt that the treatment available to Servicemen now is as good as, if not better than was available in the halcyon days of Haslar, Plymouth, Aldershot, Catterick, Ely, Halton, Wroughton and so on, but we do not have the exclusive military facilities that we would like for the recuperation phase of treatment because the bean-counters closed them.

Some of what has been written is, quite frankly, nonsense and it is to be hoped that the Service authorities will have the spine to refute the allegations of poor treatment in what is an old, but efficient hospital at Selly Oak. Lots of what goes on in hospitals is not ideal, but welcome to the modern world of healthcare. Hospitals are noisy places in comparison to our bedrooms at home, but that is the reality.

If you want the government to unpick the deliberations of Lawrence and so on, which led to the current situation, the only way to do it is to contact your MP and get him / her to ask questions at the right level in order to change what is happening.

PS 18 days to military withdrawal from Haslar!!

I agree with much of what you have to say. We should never forget that the destruction of the RN Medical Service was the work of some senior RN officers in the 1980s, the machinations of whom the politicians were only too glad to accept. The RN accepted that the way forward was to have military wards in NHS hospitals, and this would have been a good solution if service personnel had priority of treatment in those wards. That is not the case and service personnel have to go on the same waiting list as Joe Civilian, resulting in lots of unnecessary P7R time. Civilian NHS managers will always resent and try to undermine any "privileges" that service personnel may be getting.
 

safewalrus

War Hero
Remember the same thing happened to the Merchant Navy, had a dedicated hospital in Grenwich, got transfered to St Mary's in London (two wards) got down graded to one ward,then forgot about - you might if you time it right get a bed there if they have one! maybe! Not the fault of the hospital more that of the administration!!?!! (whoever this unknown admin is) Looks like the Military is going the same way but slightly faster! Next Month Haslar soon after we get out of Iraq you know Selly Oak will go, one way or another, Ok percy we've got a bed in your local maternity hospital -you've had your leg blown off, no bother the midwife will be able to fix that next week then you can go home! Great sytem we have ain't it!! Can't remember anybody actually voting for this can you? Democracy - yeah OK!
 

dondon

MIA
safewalrus said:
Remember the same thing happened to the Merchant Navy, had a dedicated hospital in Grenwich, got transfered to St Mary's in London (two wards) got down graded to one ward,then forgot about - you might if you time it right get a bed there if they have one! maybe! Not the fault of the hospital more that of the administration!!?!! (whoever this unknown admin is) Looks like the Military is going the same way but slightly faster! Next Month Haslar soon after we get out of Iraq you know Selly Oak will go, one way or another, Ok percy we've got a bed in your local maternity hospital -you've had your leg blown off, no bother the midwife will be able to fix that next week then you can go home! Great sytem we have ain't it!! Can't remember anybody actually voting for this can you? Democracy - yeah OK!



Methinks your probably right there Mate , :evil: :evil: :evil:
 

Allnightin

Lantern Swinger
Topical letter by former Surgeon General

There was an interesting letter by Lt Gen Sir Peter Beale, Surgeon General 1991 - 1994 in yesterday's Torygraph well worth reading. Sorry I don't have a link. He makes it clear that the current Government line about the previous Military Hospitals not being able to handle the situation was not how it was seen then and he "strongly denies that these arrangements (ie military being treated in civilian hospitals) were recommended by the military medical staffs themselves, except by necessity of having to make the most of the badly damaged defence medical services."
Last night on The Politics Show Michael Portillo also admitted that his abolishment of the old hospitals was not his proudest moment. A bit more honesty and less presentation here from the current administration would be helpful to my mind. I remain particularly concerned about the fact that a serviceman can end up as a PTSD case as a direct result of his military service, be discharged because of it and then find that he has to pay to get the help he needs to deal with the problems. That was the case for Justin Smith, a former Guardsman who confronted Tony Blair about it on Westcountry TV in January. I bet nothing has changed since!
 

JeffB

Badgeman
Certainly a shite state of affairs, but I find it hard to believe that the old system of service hospitals would have been any better. They simply could not provide the degree of medical training and specialist care/equipment to match that provided by the NHS. If they hadn't been closed you can be pretty damned sure that by now they would be as badly funded as the rest of the defence sector and unable to cope with current requirements. I don't however think that the private medical sector could provide the degree of specialist care that is normally required and in any event they are not what they are cracked up to be - many nurses for example are on worse employment terms than the NHS (if that can be believed).
 

silverfox

War Hero
Moderator
Book Reviewer
Interestingly enough there is an exact parallel issue going on with the Americans over the treatmenat of their injured at their Walter Reed Military hospital. From what I've seen it puts our issues into the shade - but they have reacted accordingly - the Secretary for the Army (Min AF sort of equivalent) has resigned, the 1* running the place has resigned and the 3* who set the place up and got promoted as a result has been forced to resign ie he jumped before he was pushed...

Just goes to show that we are not alone in this case and the grass is definately not greener....
 

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