Transformation of the HM Branch

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  1. …and how it will affect me on entry to the RN

    For ease sake, I’ll start by summarising my questions; I’ll post them in more detail if necessary.

    1) I’m particularly interested in the hydrography (survey recorder) specialisation; will I be free to choose between the hyrdrography and meteorology/oceanography specialisations once at Raleigh or will I be placed on one of the two routes depending on what’s available at the time?

    2) Will the branches transformation have an affect on my entry date? I.e. will entries to the HM branch be postponed while the transformation is implemented?

    3) I passed my RT in May and subsequently my PJFT in August – Is it likely I’ll enter the RN in 2009? (The more specific the answer the better).

    Also, if any of you can throw any more light on how professional training within the branch is orchestrated and how it has been affected by the transformation, I’d be grateful.

    Very much appreciated! :D

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  2. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Re: Forthcoming(?) Transformation of the HM Branch…

    1) Previously, WS(HM) were dual trained, both (H) and (M), during Phase 2 Training and need to gain experience in both spheres as an AB.

    Experience has shown that there was insufficient time to develop both skill-sets before AB(HM)s are needed to fill vacancies as LS(HM), where drafting and developing an individual takes place in a single discipline, (H) or (M).

    Under the revised arrangements, streaming into either the (H) or (M) discipline will take place during their Phase 1 Training at HMS RALEIGH.


    During Phase 1 training, (HM) recruits receive a series of briefings on career options within the (HM) specialisation and will spend half a day at the Hydrographical and Meteorological Training Group (HMTG). Towards the end of Phase 1 training, recruits will make a stream choice of either (H) or (M). Streaming will take into account the recruit’s preference and Service need. After specialist Phase 2 training in the chosen discipline at HMTG, ABs in both disciplines will complete a generic Naval General Training package and those streaming (H) will complete the 4 week Seamanship module. Most ratings will then remain in their chosen discipline for their entire careers.

    After the first complement assignment there will be an ‘option point’ for those that were not streamed to their preference and wish to swap. Those that exercise their option will, at the earliest opportunity, dependent on Service need, return to HMTG and re-skill in the other stream. Thereafter, they will remain in their new stream.

    HMS RALEIGH has began streaming HM Ratings for those recruits who commenced Phase 1 training from Aug 08 onwards.

    When you begin your training at HMS RALEIGH, you will join the Hydrographic and Meteorological (HM) Specialisation of the Royal Navy’s Warfare Branch. It is important that you are advised of some recent changes that are just taking place within the HM specialisation that will affect you at the next juncture of your career.

    All HM personnel will transfer into either the Hydrographic or the Meteorological discipline.

    Towards the end of your time at HMS RALEIGH you will be asked to choose which of the (H) or (M) streams you would most like to progress your career in. Your subsequent specialist training at the HM school in Devonport will be tailored to one of these two streams. Every effort will be made to give you your choice but if this cannot be done initially, then you should know that you can still switch back to your preference at the earliest possible opportunity.

    2) Not that we're aware of

    3) Not likely - current waiting time is around 20 months (if my list is up to date), so I'd anticipate January 2010..
  3. the_matelot

    the_matelot War Hero Moderator

    Re: Re: Forthcoming(?) Transformation of the HM Branch…

    So is this an admission by the grown ups that the WS(HM) concept doesn't work then and although they're staying in the same branch, in effect they're reverting back to NA(METOC) and Survey Recorder in all but name?

    I wonder how much that has cost then? :roll:
  4. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Re: Re: Forthcoming(?) Transformation of the HM Branch…

    It would seem so.

    A bit of a WEM/ Operator Mechanic followed by a WS/ET(WE) deja vu moment methinks

  5. the_matelot

    the_matelot War Hero Moderator

    Re: Re: Forthcoming(?) Transformation of the HM Branch…

    No, I don't know what you're on about. They're completely different in concept and we're not just reinventing the wheel. Honest.
  6. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Re: Re: Forthcoming(?) Transformation of the HM Branch…

  7. Re: Forthcoming(?) Transformation of the HM Branch…

    Greatly appreciated, Ninja. Thank you.

    Okay. Presuming my entry date is January 2010 (over 12 months from now); will it be required of me to repeat steps of the selection process, such as the medical and/or PJFT? And if I am required to repeat steps, when might it be likely I’ll be requested to do so?

    Me :thanks:
  8. Re: Re: Forthcoming(?) Transformation of the HM Branch…

    Wonder will anyone with gold stripes admit they screwed up?
  9. Re: Forthcoming(?) Transformation of the HM Branch…

  10. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    For those wishing to join as WS(HM), attention is drawn to the highlighted words above with regard WS(HM) streaming. Be aware the needs of the service will take priority over the preference of the individual.
  11. Any idea which is of greater service need at the moment: Hydrography or Meteorology? I know we are getting 2 new aircraft carriers but I'm not sure if it will make that big a difference as to the number of Meteorologists we need.
  12. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    When our current carrier(s) were operating fixed wing aircraft, I'd guess including Officers, Senior Ratings and Ratings, there were fewer than 7 Met branch personnel on each. We're not talking big numbers.
  13. Another branch going back to it's original state much like The gollies, tas apes and soon RP's and Gunners.
  14. Thanks Ninja, do you think they need more Hydrographers or Meteorologists at the current intakes? Any idea of the approx ratio of Hydrographers to Meteorologists in the Royal Navy? My AFCO didn't really know much about it.

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