Transfer from RM to RN officer.

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  1. I am a current serving royal Marine Corporal. I work within the information systems engineer branch. I have a BA degree in computing and am 30 years young atm. Looking to transfer to RN with a commission to work as an weapons engineer/ information systems officer.

    Now what are the pros and cons of transferring from a naval perspective?

    I hear RN are hanging out for these officers atm, is this true?

    Anyways any feedback would be great, good or bad.

  2. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Information Systems Officer, as you are probably aware, has merged into the WEO branch, so you will undergo generic weapon engineering officer training initially - it won't be as specialist as your current role although your shore-based employment could well be within a similar field (but don't bank on it).

    To be honest I would've thought you need an accredited engineering BSc rather than a BA, but you'll need to confirm academic eligibility via AIB.

    There is a dire shortage of Submarine Service WEOs, so you should be aware that may well be put in front of you if academically eligible for WEO - you'll still need the 5 GCSE's, I think.

    Possibly you may want to look at TMO or Logs Officer if the degree is not accepted for Engineering Officer.

    Best of luck - by all means PM me, if I can be of assistance.
  3. I really want to continue in the information systems world (but with a commission and all its benefits).

    This is not an option in RM and therefore I need to look further afield like RN. TMO or Logs doesn't really do it for me as I can only imagine how exciting those jobs are if they are anything like ours.

    I was banking that my 4 years ICS engineering on the job experience plus my BA Computer animation A levels and loads of Gcse's would get me to the Aib.

    Any idea if afco is the place to go or do they just deal with new joiners?
  4. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    You can be processed via your nearest convenient AFCO as necessary but you would usually gain initial manning clearance via your standard chain of command. For the uninitiated, AFCOs conduct a variety of selection and administrative elements required for branch transfers, including those of senior officers.

    Be aware the Corps can be a bit twitchy about "in service" transfers and often put it in the "too difficult" file, insisting you must leave and apply afresh - which isn't strictly true but they can make gaining manning clearance more difficult than necessary if they don't want to lose you.

    First drill is to get all your educational certificates together and ask a local AFCO to confirm academic eligibility via AIB.After establishing eligibility I'd advise you make it easy for your unit admin office by doing the legwork with regard selection - in doing so, the less they have to do, the more likely you are to gain manning clearance whilst serving.

    If you can get AIB cracked & passed at a high enough level, it should just be a case of leaving the Corps on a Friday & entering BRNC on the Monday.
  5. Manning clearance should no longer be an issue. BR3 will have an update in Sept, but there is an RNTM outlining the new procedure on DII.

    I'm not at work until Sept, so can't give you the precise reference.
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  6. I believe there has already been a RM JNCO who commissioned as a RN UY WESM. I think his path was AIB, LET and POET course (to achieve the UOP entry standard foundation degree) then final year of degree at Portsmouth. Once the degree is obtained the path is the same as DE WEs. Not sure if your degree would be suitable to bypass the FD&UoP pipeline.

    You could probably pursue this route. The age ranges for UY and SUY have changed recently so don't think you'll be too old for UY and the BM can always give a waiver.

    Don't think you could go the SUY route, you don't have the engineering experience that a SR ET would have.

    As for employment in the IS area, it'll be interesting to see what the WEs do now they fully own CIS. I predict we'll see a subspec WE which specialises in IS and doesn't follow the traditional WE employment pattern. It will be populated by suitably qualified DEs and UY/SUY from CIS stream.

    I recommend you (through your CoC) engage with the WE branch manager.
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  7. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    A move in the right direction, but outwardly this change doesn't seem to have been implemented fully, just yet.

    It will be interesting to see this in practice, particularly with regard the interpretation of the mandatory Return of Service restrictions imposed on those completing various SQ/TQ courses. The current Rating/Other Rank Attestation Form (s3049) will presumably be amended to incorporate the change announced previously by RNTM in the coming months.

    Hopefully the OP can keep us posted on progress.
  8. Also don't forget that there are also options open to you in the other services should the RN not work out. Historically the RAF is the easiest to get a commission in and frankly they could do with some quality.

    Good luck.
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  9. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    Just to add, it would also be worth getting a CV of your relevant service experience together for submission with your academic qualifications to AIB for review.
  10. I can't answer the question about whether your degree is suitable to bypass the FD & BEng requirements, but I can verify the fact that a RM Corporal has done it, I took his squad round for ceremonial divisions while I was on SEMC. Didn't expect my right hand marker to be a Bootneck.
  11. Seadog

    Seadog War Hero Moderator

    I met a submarine engineer officer a few years ago who has been an RM officer. His engineering degree wouldn't have got him considered had he not already been through the door but someone signed off on it. The reasons for the transfer were sound, it wasn't a whim.

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