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Transfer from Army/RAF to Royal Marines CO?

TVRJamie88

Midshipman
OK, so I have a situation for anyone who can help.

I'm 26 this month, want to be a Royal Marine Officer (ideally pilot). Too old (by a couple of months) for Royal Marines officer direct.

Could I join the Army/RAF/Navy as a commissioned officer (some go beyond 25 years upper age limit), and then transfer with that commissioned status to Royal Marines? I can imagine that it would be an uphill battle to switch, and I would be ok with any outcome, but would like to ideally go on to be a Royal Marine Pilot, (or just a CO in the Marines).

Is this viable? Or should I just write off the idea of being a pilot. I know the AAC recruit up until 30 (I think), so that is always a good option. But I heard that there is the odd Royal Marine Fast Jet pilot - so that tempts me more than AAC (just the thought of possibly being a jet pilot). I know some will say that if I want to be a Marine I should apply to be one, but I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong) I could be a pilot without being a CO.

Any help appreciated

Cheers
 

TVRJamie88

Midshipman
Sorry for double post.

OK, so I have a situation for anyone who can help.

I'm 26 this month, want to be a Royal Marine Officer (ideally pilot). Too old (by a couple of months) for Royal Marines officer direct.

Could I join the Army/RAF/Navy as a commissioned officer (some go beyond 25 years upper age limit), and then transfer with that commissioned status to Royal Marines? I can imagine that it would be an uphill battle to switch, and I would be ok with any outcome, but would like to ideally go on to be a Royal Marine Pilot, (or just a CO in the Marines).

Is this viable? Or should I just write off the idea of being a pilot. I know the AAC recruit up until 30 (I think), so that is always a good option. But I heard that there is the odd Royal Marine Fast Jet pilot - so that tempts me more than AAC (just the thought of possibly being a jet pilot). I know some will say that if I want to be a Marine I should apply to be one, but I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong) I could be a pilot without being a CO.

Any help appreciated

Cheers
 

clonmel

Lantern Swinger
OK, so lets say you join the RN or RAF, tomorrow.

Then you sail through pilot training, no holdover period or recourses or anything, and end up the very first ab-initio F35 pilot. That'll see you getting your wings in 2017/18, by which time you'll be nearly 30. There's a 5yr Return of Service the minute you get your wings up (ie you will be employed as a pilot, on type, for that period - regardless of what you might want to do elsewhere).

What interest would the RM have in a 34/35yo pilot with no land environment experience? Are you saying that you'd be prepared to do YOs / Tp Comd / Coy 2ic etc, in your mid-to-late-thirties?

See where I'm going with this?
 

TVRJamie88

Midshipman
Thanks for reply clomel,

I don't think I've explained my situation properly. I can't get into Navy/RAF as a pilot due my age, so I was planning on (all be it pie in the sky stuff) joining the Army/RAF/Navy as a CO (non-pilot based position), then transferring to the RM as a CO, and then specialise as a pilot once in the RM. From what I've been told by some, I could do this in about 2 years from enlisting in the Army/RAF/Navy - I don't know whether that is true. If I'm unable to specialise as a pilot, then I'm only 28 I can specialise in something else like Mountain Leader etc.

I get that your saying its nigh on impossible and that I might be digging my own dead end, but is it essentially possible?

Cheers.
 

Bad CO

Admin
I do know people who have transferred from the AAC to the RM but they are relatively unusual. Most go from the AAC to the RN to continue their flying careers.

The bad news for you is that you've left it too late for the Army - http://www.army.mod.uk/join/20145.aspx as 26 is the max age to enter RMAS and you simply won't have the time to get through AOSB, etc. Especially with the new recruiting system which I gather takes ages.
 

TVRJamie88

Midshipman
Thanks for the reply. I've posted this question in the RM section as well, so I'm not sure if I'm causing some grief with the mods etc - if so, sorry. There is a bit there about 26-29 for some branches. Would I not be able to apply for CO in one of those branches and then switch to RM, then apply for pilot specialisation as a RM CO? Or am I just inventing loop holes?

Thanks again
 

TVRJamie88

Midshipman
Well, its my only option to be a pilot as I can't join NAVY/RAF due to age. Also if I don't make pilot I can specialise in a different area (Mountain Leader looks good), so my eggs aren't all in one very precarious basket.
 

Spare_Rib

Lantern Swinger
Jamie, sorry to burst your bubble, but even for transferees from other officer branches, the upper age limit to commence flying training is 26. There's even a rumour that this is soon to be reduced to 24. The armed forces spend a lot on flying training and they need the maximum man years out of their pilots as a result.
 

TVRJamie88

Midshipman
Ahhh, thanks Spare_rib, I thought it was getting too complicated to conceive of a way round the age limit - coz there is no way round it. Is there anywhere where that is written officially like on a website? I don't doubt you know what your talking about but, for closure, I would like to see something official saying - No you can't. Also I assume that doesn't apply to the AAC?
 

Spare_Rib

Lantern Swinger
It is written in BR 8374 (Officers Training Regs), which is unfortunately not available on the web. But your ACLO would be able to confirm. And yes, the Army Air Corp NCO route might still be an option. But you have to do at least 4 years in the Army and selected for Corporal beforehand - so not a quick option! More info here: http://www.army.mod.uk/aviation/29742.aspx
Good luck with whatever you decide to do!
 
Not really. You are in effect going from a non-Infantry capbadge, to an Infantry capbadge, whilst also changing service.

The Corps is overborne with young enough applicants to become Officers, why would it take an older one? You would have a much better chance of joining an Army Corps (R SIGNALS and INT CORPS spring to mind) and then lucking out on an attachment as a 2 Lt and being asked to join an Infantry Regiment. I've seen it happen twice (once per Corp I've mentioned), so that is definitely possible.

But you won't be a pilot, or a ML.
 
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Axel.

Guest
I think at 26 you're too old to be an Officer in the Army too aside from AGC who still max out at 29.
 

TVRJamie88

Midshipman
Ok, fair enough. I didn't think being a few months older then the upper age limit would put such a check against my name - all sounds a bit bureaucratic. But I guess dems the rules
 
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