Training Management Officer post BRNC

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  1. Any chance someone could clear up the specifics about the TMO professional training.

    On the RN website for TMO it states that after BRNC there is a 13-week training management foundation course at the Defence Centre of Training Support at RAF Halton.

    The TMO FAQ sheet states that following BRNC there is a 9 month long Training Management Officers' Course at Portsmouth.

    The TMO leaflet states that after BRNC there is a four-week engineer training management foundation course at Portsmouth.

    Which is correct?

    Thank you for any insight.
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2014
  2. A third possibility! o_O

    Cheers mate. I've edited the OP.
  3. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    When I did it (albeit a short while ago) it was a 6 week course in Nelson (RNSETT) then out into the wide world. I cannot see that being compressed into a 9 month course nor can I see the RAF HALTON option being used (service politik).

    I will ask the question of a more current person.....
  4. Oh wow, four different versions of the professional training!

    Cheers wave_dodger. I really appreciate any insight!
  5. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer


    TM training is comprised of 6 months at BRNC followed by 6 months at HRTSG located in Jervis Block, HMS Nelson.

    The 6 months at BRNC is basic Officer training.

    The following 6 months at HRTSG is the TM specific professional training of which the first 3 months includes specialist Defence Systems Approach to Training (DSAT) and Instructional courses held at Halton. This focuses on the Training Requirements Authority – Training Delivery Authority (Customer – Supplier) relationship through providing training on requirement setting (Operational Performance Statements), Development of Formal Training Statement (Training Contracts), Training Design, Internal and External Validation plus auditing.

    The second 3 months are work placements where the specialisation get the new TMs around the bazaars including the Naval Education and Training Service (deployable TMs delivering education and resettlement on the frontline aka EL3R), a look at opportunities within the Submarine service and working with the Royal Marines.

    Concurrently, new TMs are required to undertake CPD at Portsmouth University that counts towards an MSc. This period of training is completed by an oral board before TMs received their first assignment.
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  6. Cheers mate, this is very helpful. I've been trying to figure out the TM specific training pipeline for a while now. Thank you for taking the time. Much appreciated!
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  7. Morning folks, is this still accurate?

    I've received a start date for BRNC basically as a result of changes to the TM branch, as it's no longer a requirement to have an engineering related degree. Was the info above before or after the changes?
    Thanks a lot
  8. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    It's the same as far as I am aware
  9. Brilliant, thanks a lot
  10. Sorry, me again. Can you help me out with the acronym HRTSG please?
    Thanks again
  11. I would assume that the majority of a TMO's time is spent ashore.... but with some sea time on bigger ships perhaps? Or do all larger ships carry one? Second question..... the person I'm asking on behalf of has an MA in an Arts subject and I see from the RN website that a few are taken on (perhaps to do something like the old 'Schoolie' job), but are they all expected to, eventually, become Engineering experts?
  12. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    You're assumption about sea time is broadly correct, but not all larger ships carry one, there is a deployable team that goes to sea as required.

    By no means are TMOs expected to become engineering experts but an Arts MA is probably less likely to get them past screening for AIB I'd have thought as the need for the "Defence studies" TMO is very small.
  13. Thanks, Wave Dodger. This person (my daughter) is certainly no engineer and I don't think any amount of training would help. Her BA and MA were both in non-technical fields. I'll get her to look at other roles - Logistics perhaps.
  14. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    It may be worth her while going into a careers office and asking to speak to the TMO Career Manager, Cdr Solly. There is always a possibility and it may be she is a person who can quickly assimilate a new field and be able to present it back confidently. For a while I taught materials science, which I'd never even heard of. It often depends on the persons aptitude and confidence. The wider branch roles don't need any engineering knowledge so its still worth following up.

    The Logistics branch has a huge degree of variety and challenges, equally worthy of consideration.
  15. Thanks again, Wave Dodger. Still worth a thought, then. And well done for your efforts on this site.... it's great to get comprehensive answers.
  16. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    I used to be an Instructor/E(TM) the E(IS) and now WE(IS), so I'm out of date but there are a few TMOs who are active on here and my next door neighbour is currently one. We do try :)

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