Training Bases may Merge (BBC)

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  1. Well, it didn't take long for that Galaxy Brief to leak did it?
  2. It won't happen, BRNC can't take the numbers if Raleigh shuts and the mob earns too much by training foreign navy officers at Dartmouth (it's all in the name) and that ******** Critchley's naval expertise is on the same level as John Larges naval nuclear knowledge. Critchley is an ex-grunter who edits a small monthly warship magazine and has been out of loop for far too long to offer an informed opinion but is adept at getting air time to expound dockyard buzzes.
  3. wave_dodger

    wave_dodger War Hero Book Reviewer

    I wouldn't be too hasty betting money on that!

    Purposely not read the link but my money is on Raleigh moving to BRNC and CTC moving to Raleigh........

    The recent Defence Transformation (45 moving down the SW) were the first open clue something was up. Then the INT project was "leaked".

    We'll see in due course.
  4. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    Do you think they'll let the baby stokers play on the golf course at BRNC?

    Royal has trained baby booties and Ruperts very succesfully at CTCRM so I cant see why the training establishments cant be merged. The powers that be will probably sell off BRNC and Raleigh for peanuts then spend millions and millions building a new base, seems to be how they "save" money.
  5. Like I said, BRNC can't cope with the numbers plus Dartmouth is like Hogwarts inside and they can't do much to buildings as most of them are listed. CTC moving to Raleigh would be a sensible option as it's got everything you need to beast baby booties (as well as keeping phase 1 RN recruits). If the submarine school went north and the logistics school went to a tri-service gaff that would free up a lot of space but I wouldn't hold your breath.
  6. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    Why on earth would you move CTC to Raleigh? Has Raleigh got the bottom field, Tarzan course, CQB facilities, weapons stances, a gym and pool including rock climbing and rehab facilities, woodbury with all its added attractions such as the endurance course and gorse, 30 metre range and the ability to further specialise already trained Marines in a whole range of SQ's?

    Thought not.
  7. This isn't actually that stupid an idea that Troubleshooter bloke - ex-boss of ICI? Sir sounds like Lee Harvey Oswold reckoned that Dartmouth was a dinosaur and that officer and ratings training could easily co-exist in his tv show about the mob needing troubleshooting years ago. Now the pusser is a lot smaller the same must be even more true. I'd sell off Dartmouth though, it must be worth more for developers.

    Wet Blobby doesn't Raleigh play home to nods doing GPMG training at Tregantle with a pile of ranges? I'm pretty sure it used to. Then Raleigh has it's own range too. Then there is a swimming in a large gym with lots of open space outside including an obstacle course and space to knock up a bottom field in no time. Then there is the new improved rehab facilities in Drake, which isn't going to be full of guys returning from stan for that much longer. Want a mud run? There is a creek next to the range at Raleigh or down at Wilcove or further up the road at St John's. Dry training areas at Gutter Tor less than an hour away even with the ferry ride from where they can bimble up to the ranges on the North Moor. Oh and for amphibiosity there will be the new facility at the end of WML jetty, about 5 minutes by boat from Wilcove.

    No Raleigh and the Plymouth area has nothing to offer Booty's over Lympstone really has it?
  8. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    I hear what you're saying Wurz but hear me out.

    The clue is in the title CommandoTraining Centre Royal Marines. It's not all about Nods. Snipers, Assault engineers, Anti Tank, Mortars, Signallers, Clerks, Junior command course, senior command course, a whole host of officer further training and many many more courses are run at CTC.
    I fully agree officer and OR's can complete basic training at the same establishment, been going on at CTC for years.
    Raleigh cannot offer the same as CTC.
  9. Sir John Harvey-Jones

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  10. some good points there Wurz

    i went back to re read the initail post and i have picked up on this 'half and half' thing - not going to spell it out here -

    my contacts (dont mention thaty word on the net:-D) tell me that CTC is toppers.

    i am yet to be convinced that just becuase the half and half issues apply to Raleigh and BRNC just what that has to do with CTC - or have i missed something? :-|
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2011
  11. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator


    Contrary to my sterling advice freely handed out on the newbies forum I'm not to familiar with what training Jack does at Raleigh. If it's only phase 1, basically turning a civvy into a sailor, teach them how to dhoby properly, iron cloths, ticktock around a parade ground and get your arms pumped full of needles before getting farmed out to other naval establishments for continuation/trade training, why not move that aspect of naval recruit training to lympstone?

    We've got the DL's, PTI's etc already in place to support the naval recruit training teams.
  12. Ah Blobbs, our replies crossed int he ether

    aint CTC toppers already?
  13. wet_blobby

    wet_blobby War Hero Moderator

    Sorry, Rigs. Our replies obviously crossed.

    I dont know if CTC is toppers, wouldn't suprise me if it was. I think raleigh being half full isn't down to a lack of potential recruits but more to do with a lack of political will to have a Navy and bods to man it.
  14. Some Recruits do their Phase 2 there too. The Defence Maritime Logistics School and the Submarine School are there, but, as WreckerL says, they could move.
  15. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    Biggest issue BRNC would have is that the real estate is old and crumbling and not suitable for the installation of thousands of NE ratings, as the grounds dont have the space for it. BRNC is essentially a jolly nice public school with some basic CCF facilities on the side, and designed to teach leadership.

    I would argue for a move away from BRNC for NE training, but develop the site as the RN leadership school, and see what other smaller schools and facilities could move into it from other areas. Essentially turn it into an RN centre of excellence, but use RALEIGHs very good facilities for the actual military training.
  16. The only reason to keep BRNC open is the kudos attached to the name, very useful for attracting cadets from certain oil rich regions of the world. IIRC, its running at less than 400 students a year, with a correspondingly high staff to student ratio. The staff savings alone would make moving OC training to Torpoint a good move.
    Its easy to forget how much unused land there is at both Raleigh and Collingrad, which if neccesary coud swallow up BRNC/CTC combined.
    Its hight time we made some really tough decisions.
  17. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    I think that there is another thread on this somewhere.

    My suggestion then, as now, would be to have one Tri-Service Officer training base, each service having its own section but with the housekeeping bits run together. It will cause vapours among elderly Admirals and General but would make huge savings.
  18. The problem is physically getting rid of BRNC - it's a listed building, there's a covenant on it (so we can't sell the land), and the capital required to get it up to 20th century standard would be massive.

    I would have zero problem with initial training for Officers and Ratings being in the same place - indeed it might drag Officer training forward a little - it's how we actually achieve it. As for CTCRM shutting, don't be daft, they've got it set up perfectly, in a bijou space, why move it? I suspect 45 Cdo could probably fit in South Yard mind.....
  19. I'm still not convinced by your argument.

    Given the shrinking nature of the mob Raleigh must have plenty of spare capacity compared to it's throughput 20 years ago which could I suspect cope with the numbers using Lympstone. Even with pongos on all arms courses, etc. The rest of the SQ's you mention, they don't actually live fire there do they? So all that is really required is some classrooms and training space. The Clerks could be trained along with Writers or they could even go off to some crab base as the defence estate and training amalgamates! Or does Royal use a different JPA?

    Does CTC still use Sandy Bay? If so doesn't Tregantle offer much the same but without the caravans?

    I can understand peoples fondness and association with a site but are your arguments really that strong?
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