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Torpedo - Weapon or Ordinance?

R12_CV

Lantern Swinger
Quick one having read this months NN;

If the gun is the weapon, and the shell is the ordinance...

What is the torpedo? I'd have thought ordinance.


NN described a torp as a weapon.... is it scoop/journo error??
 

Ballistic

War Hero
Quick one having read this months NN;

If the gun is the weapon, and the shell is the ordinance...

What is the torpedo? I'd have thought ordinance.


NN described a torp as a weapon.... is it scoop/journo error??

Do you have a link?

An ordinance is a decree, or a religious rite
 

Ballistic

War Hero
Whoops sorry R12, meant to put a winky smiley there.

Actually it's a good question. Being an Ordnance Engineering bloke I've had both guns and torpedoes under my care and they've both been referred to as weapons and ordnance.
 

Waspie

War Hero
Ballistic is spot on.

Ordnance is the term for guns or mounted canon according to The Oxford book of words!!!
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Using that logic. The torpedo tube would be the weapon and the torpedo the ordnance.

Taking one stage further, the entire submarine would be the weapon as the tubes can't be removed from the boat and are an integral part of the construction, the fish/tomahawks/tridents the ordnance.
 

WreckerL

War Hero
Super Moderator
Last time I looked, it was the WSC, not the OSC.

It's also a weapons discharge tube not a torpedo tube but let's not confuse the surface world too much.

It's also "weapons readiness state" not "ordnance readiness state" to make it easier.
 

Joe_Crow

War Hero
'Weapons Embarkation Hatch', 'Weapon onload', Weapon offload', 'Weapon in the water', 'Weapon active'.
'Ordnance Embarkation Hatch', 'Ordnance onload', Ordnance offload', 'Ordnance in the water', 'Ordnance active'.
 

FlagWagger

GCM
Book Reviewer
'Weapons Embarkation Hatch', 'Weapon onload', Weapon offload', 'Weapon in the water', 'Weapon active'.
'Ordnance Embarkation Hatch', 'Ordnance onload', Ordnance offload', 'Ordnance in the water', 'Ordnance active'.

So Starboard crew use "Weapon" while Port Crew use "Ordnance"?

If it helps at all, my Dad was an old-school OA (Ordnance Artificer) who regular worked on the delivery systems... no doesn't help much other than to reinforce the view that Weapons and Ordnance are reasonably interchangeable. :)
 

Ballistic

War Hero
Just a thought from my DTS addled brain:

Could ordnance which leaves the ship/boat/aircraft and has a guidance system be considered to be a weapon, whereas ordnance which is unguided is merely ammunition?
 

Waspie

War Hero
Just a thought from my DTS addled brain:

Could ordnance which leaves the ship/boat/aircraft and has a guidance system be considered to be a weapon, whereas ordnance which is unguided is merely ammunition?

Stop!

I was confused before - I definitely am confused now!:confused4:
 

SONAR-BENDER

War Hero
I always understood it that one of ours in the water was a weapon and one of their's was a torpedo, as in 'torpedo alarm'.
 

R12_CV

Lantern Swinger
Do you have a link? An ordinance is a decree, or a religious rite

Doh, I'll have to get my spell checker fixed!

Could ordnance which leaves the ship/boat/aircraft and has a guidance system be considered to be a weapon, whereas ordnance which is unguided is merely ammunition?

This I also considered. But if for eg Sidewinders are weapons..... what would the old Sea Cat be, flying by wire? Would the guy on a joystick be the weapon..?!?

Unlawfull - illegal. Weapon - ordnance. Fire- Shoot. Is there really a difference

Dunno....I just thought I'd ask.
 
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