Tony Blairs conversion

Joe_Crow

War Hero
sussex2 said:
There hasn't been an openly Catholic PM since William Pitt the Younger, who if rumours are to believed also belonged to another social minority.
The entire hierachy of the State is still heavily weighed against Catholics because of the history of the UK.
Every monarch at their coronation makes an oath to be the defender of the faith, the Protestant faith.
The systems of the UK are as much involved in religion as many of the countries we perhaps deride for this.
At state occasions the Duke of Norfolk, the premier Catholic in the country always stands/sits at the monarchs side; and for some very good reasons. One perhaps, to keep an eye on each other, and another to keep your enemy close to you.
There was a time, not that long ago, when Catholics were about as welcome as a pork chop at a Jewish circumcision celebration. They were considered perhaps in the same light as radical Muslims could be these days (the people not the pork chops).
I reckon that the influence of the Catholic church played a significant part in many of the decisions of T.B. whilst he was in office.

Not quite right. The title 'Defender of the Faith' was conferred upon Henry VIII by the Pope, while Henry was still a Roman Catholic. When Henry was subsequently denied permission to divorce one of his wives, he formed the 'Church of England'. The CofE is not a Protestant church, but a Catholic church (note the non-use of the word Roman!). Protestant churches are Lutherian.
 

seafarer1939

War Hero
some got the the wrong end of it,I like the Poles, I holiday there every year as my son lectures there in Uni.{ place is empty good bargains and holidays to be had]
Lovely people and I don't blame them for coming for the wedge they can earn[Albie and Rumanains are another story]
My point was Blair letting in nearly a million people who mostly have said they will stay,they will bring families and in the meantime they can claim child benifit for kids in Poland!That's not right.
Now as the RC churches are now brimming with people and cash he converts.
It's a wonder there is not a petition in to make him a saint as he has transformed the RC church in the UK.
At least the Poles don't want to blow me up.
 

Seaweed

RIP
Book Reviewer
I understand that after the Fearless talks about Rhodesia there was a kerfuffle about a picture of Harold Wilson being thrown over the side 'in order to see if he could walk on water'.
 

sulzer

Lantern Swinger
Harold Wilson's photograph was not "thrown over the side" from HMS FEARLESS. It was scientically conducted flotation test, iwhich could not be repeated as the picture sank! Less lucky was the Captain who had to keep his copy!

Worthy of note is that we had a Splice the Mainbrace paid for by himself!
 

seafarer1939

War Hero
Yeah I remember[the worst words in the world to start a conversation] being on the Puma in 65/66 for the Basra patrol.
There wasn't one member of the crew who wanted to stop ships getting through and when that tanker did get through there was a cheer.
I know land was parcelled out in favour of white farmers but something could have been agreed to keep a status quo with the locals and feed the people.
Instead we have a black Hitler/Pol Pot/Stalinist prick who preens in safety as the locals do not have the means to dispose of him.
He is supported by all the African leaders so no more of my cash goes there unless certified correct.
If ALL secret African bank accounts were opened by the Swiss then the people would live in luxury but the Swiss will not and we don't have the guts to make it happen.
E'rr rant over
Best wishes for the NEW YEar.
 
Few of the political restrictions that Catholics were formerly subjected to remain. The main restriction is that the Head of State, who is Supreme Governor of the CoE, must naturally be a member of that species of Christianity. There are no restrictions on a Catholic becoming PM and Blair would have experienced no problems had he converted whilst in office. There is certainly anti-Catholic prejudice in Parliament, which was very noticeable when Michael Martin was elected to the Office of Speaker, but it's nothing like it was back in the 70s. Unfortunately those in the RCC who demand that Catholic politicians are subservient to the Church, as the Herald has frequently pointed out in its editorials, do a disservice to Catholics in Parliament by implying they owe their primary duty to the Church hierarchy rather than their electorate.
 

MCCFairy

Badgeman
thingy said:
Few of the political restrictions that Catholics were formerly subjected to remain. The main restriction is that the Head of State, who is Supreme Governor of the CoE, must naturally be a member of that species of Christianity.

Very true - but the main point is that B-Liar CANNOT become King now and letter box mouth cannot be Queen !!!!
 
Joe_Crow said:
sussex2 said:
There hasn't been an openly Catholic PM since William Pitt the Younger, who if rumours are to believed also belonged to another social minority.
The entire hierachy of the State is still heavily weighed against Catholics because of the history of the UK.
Every monarch at their coronation makes an oath to be the defender of the faith, the Protestant faith.
The systems of the UK are as much involved in religion as many of the countries we perhaps deride for this.
At state occasions the Duke of Norfolk, the premier Catholic in the country always stands/sits at the monarchs side; and for some very good reasons. One perhaps, to keep an eye on each other, and another to keep your enemy close to you.
There was a time, not that long ago, when Catholics were about as welcome as a pork chop at a Jewish circumcision celebration. They were considered perhaps in the same light as radical Muslims could be these days (the people not the pork chops).
I reckon that the influence of the Catholic church played a significant part in many of the decisions of T.B. whilst he was in office.

Not quite right. The title 'Defender of the Faith' was conferred upon Henry VIII by the Pope, while Henry was still a Roman Catholic. When Henry was subsequently denied permission to divorce one of his wives, he formed the 'Church of England'. The CofE is not a Protestant church, but a Catholic church (note the non-use of the word Roman!). Protestant churches are Lutherian.

Fair points...
 
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