Time for diesel boats again?

Discussion in 'Submariners' started by rod-gearing, Apr 16, 2009.

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  1. What with all these pirates etc isnt it time we had some diesel boats again.
    Being small and silent they could creep up on the blighters,let loose the SBS and Bobs your uncle.

    Far cheaper and more useful in shallow waters they would be ideal for this sort of work.

    The pirates can see a ship miles off but a sneaky little diesel can get really close to them, pop up and zap. Jobs a good'un.

    They could even have a gun if that works better.

    Must suggest it to Gordon the next time we meet. :idea:
  2. Count me in - I could do with a bit of excitement!
  3. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    What about a re enforced Fin, could take the bottom out of their boats, no cost and no risk, I'm here if needed.
  4. Sorry to spoil your fun chaps but a DE stands no chance of getting near a light weight open boat with a 80hp engine on the back. Of course it does leave itself very vunerable to attack by rocket propelled grenades.

    A total non starter except to be used as a sonar platform to send Helos off down a bearing in search of very high revving screws as Escorts where used to track down U boats by searching Huff Duff bearings.

    Please all go back to Bed

  5. Nutty whyfore you p1ss on their fireworks? 8O I know that you are right, but one should never let the facts get in the way of a good story. :) Apart from which just how fast can the newer German and Swedish boats go.
  6. Cos I got out of bed the wrong side.

    20 knots dived, range or time at that speed not given 12 knots on the surface (approx)

  7. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    Feck off grumpy, we're playing
  8. THat's always been the submariners way, piss on other peoples firewoprks.

    Mind you the reality is you would need a lot of boast diesel or nuclear to cover the area. Yes you may be able to detect pirate boats at long range, but that is b*gger all use if you cant get there, and you need sonething a bit bigger than a .5" and a trilfe smaller and less costly than a spearfish to deal the kind of boats and weapons they use.

    No the ways to deal with these pirates is a combination of close blockade, air surveillance and convoying. It is a serious bit of ocean we are looking at from Aden to Mombassa (several days a 25kts, I know I have doe it) and out almost to India.

    Mind you in general DE boats especially with AIP are a good idea, even if you also have the Nucy poos
  9. Oh well nice idea, but back to the drawing board.
    That or we aquire a couple of Uncle Sams latest boats which apparently are purpose designed to put people you don't want to meet into places where they don't belong, along with all kinds of gear.
  10. Oh catch up crabbie, weve been doing that for bl**dy years, remeber meeting a boat skipper who had been in the Med during WW2, he was landing people and kit in various place around the Med then, and we haven't forgotten how to do it.
  11. janner

    janner War Hero Book Reviewer

    Borneo anyone? :wink:
  12. Where's all that Hydrogen coming from? Tow it in a submersible lighter?
  13. OK, I do realise you can derive it direct from the hydrocarbon but that's years away from viability.
  14. Hydrogen can be stored in gas bottles just as boats already store HP air, and there have been designs looking at this. The current German U212 already have fuel cells though not yet using hydrogen as fuel theough the hydrogen fuel cell is getting a lot of development bucks thrown at it as it is seen as the way forward in a number of ways. Hydrogen generation through electrolysis is seen as a way of storing excess enegry from renewable sources which can then be used in transportation as a non CO2 producing fuel.

    There are of course others developing hydrogen as a hydrocarbon replacement in infernal combustion engines.

    Think forwards not backwards.
  15. Speaking as an ex-diesel donkey....blah blah blah.
    Alright then - if Das Boot can't catch the skinny
    little RPG-wielding fuzzie-wuzzies....how about
    building a few of these again? (Updated to 21st
    Techno naturally). Park them near some nice
    mother ship(s), or send 'em out on Patrol.
    If ROE forbids the use of torpedos, bullets
    and medium-sized ammunition - they could
    just run the pricks over. :twisted:


  16. Actually Maxi I have caught up, I kann reed an rite propper!
    What I was talking about was nuclear boats with compartments for disembarking of personnel and lots of gear (mini submarines etc) and embarking of the same whilst dived. The source was not the most reliable on military matters ( a German magazine- maybe Stern) but allegedly new in Uncle Sams Navy.
  17. As far as I am aware our boats can carry all the stuff that is needed, as I said none of this is new, remeber the 'human torpedoes' X craft etc etc.

    If I was a cynic I may suggest that the septics having found a few boats spare created a new role for them. Do remebr this is a field where being biggest is certainly not always best.
  18. There seems to be little interest in AIP boats lifted from Wikki

    Production non-nuclear AIP submarines
    As of 2009, some nations have non-nuclear AIP submarines:

    the French-Spanish Scorpène-class submarine (1,700 tonnes) (MESMA)
    the German Type 209-1400mod (1,810 tonnes) (Fuel cell)
    the German Type 212 submarine (1,830 tonnes) (Fuel cell) of the German Navy and Italian Navy
    the German Type 214 (1,980 tonnes) (Fuel cell)
    the Turko-German Type 214 (1,980 tonnes) (Fuel cell)
    the Russian Project 677 Лада (Lada)
    the Russian Project 1650 Ðмур (Amur)
    the Japanese Asashio (2,750 tonnes) (Stirling AIP) of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force
    the Japanese SÅryÅ« class submarine (4,200 tonnes) (Stirling AIP) of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force
    the Swedish Gotland class submarine (1,450 tonnes) (Stirling AIP) of the Swedish navy
    the Swedish Södermanland class submarine (1,500 tonnes) (Stirling AIP) of the Swedish navy
    Sweden is going to sell its remaining two Västergötland class submarines to the Republic of Singapore Navy after they have been refitted with Stirling AIP systems like the Södermanland class submarines.
    the Chinese Type 041 Yuan class submarine (Stirling AIP) of the PLAN
    Also several shipbuilders offer AIP upgrades for existing submarines:
    Pakistan Agosta 90B class submarine Made with cooperation with France
    Italy Todaro-class submarines AIP
    India purchasing six AIP boats

    Me thinks us and the sceptics can only think SSBN and SSN and are being left far behind both on construction and tactics.


    Where Now Puple Twiglet?????????????????????

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