Thoughts on the new financial recruitment bonus for Officers?

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  1. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    Word reaches me via the jungle drums that the RNR has introduced a new recruiting bonus for Officers (£5k in total).

    Seems a sensible measure to get people to join, but given there is reportedly no return of service, and given the post fleet board retention is historically fairly low, is this extra money for no tangible effect or net gain to the Trained Strength?
  2. Having read previous from yourself and 'walk of shame AKA 2DD ' could be a good move , but seem to remember when compared to Perc they were miles ahead in the reserve recruiting/retention stakes , could be as you say no tangible effect.
  3. PT
    They have staged the £5K along the lines of:
    Completion of BRNC - £1K
    Completion of Fleetboard £1.5K
    Completion of some milestone that they achieve when on Trained Strength as a Lieutenant = £2.5K

    Not sure if that is word for word/pound for pound, but good enough to show that a degree of thought has gone into the very subject that you mention. Hence the hook for the next bit of dosh, until such time when the final bit comes, when they should have found their feet in unit and branch and happy to carry on.
  4. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    Thanks SR - thats a generous package given by the point they get to TS, they'll likely be on full bounty too.

    Might be worth it, providing it generates enough numbers for the Officer Corps. Additionally lets hope it doesnt lead to undermanning in the ratings corps as people are enticed the £5k bounty.
  5. Ninja_Stoker

    Ninja_Stoker War Hero Moderator

    It could well be the deal-breaker that entices URNU students to shift to List 5 Reserves after graduating.
  6. Will it extend to regulars who come across to MR with a seamless transfer? I wonder!
  7. No- I've seen the RNTM. The deal doesn't apply to seamless transfer or trained ex-regulars.
  8. unlike AR transfers from the Regular Army.
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  9. Pity. I live very close to a well known Naval base in the far SW and do occasionally get an urging to pull on a uniform again.
  10. Retrospective? If so, it's brilliant, when can I have my money?

    If not, it's the worst thing since something really bad, why should other people get paid for doing what I volunteered for?
  11. Jrwlync, to quote that age old saying:
    You ain't dipped out, you just ain't dipped in as much as someone else!
  12. You'd have to bathe more than once a week though.
  13. I even believe it isn't even £1.5k post Fleetboard but "Phase 2" which is post JOLC and the DOs course. The thinking presumably being that at that stage you are on the Trained Strength as a generic officer body for things like Op Olympic. Which then explains the larger amount at Phase 3 which is when your specialisation deems you minimally useful in role.

    Given the current cutoffs for how long the scheme is going to run for it seems very geared to getting people onto HERMES as you've only got until 2020 to receive any payouts, so someone joining today is looking at potentially 4+ years to reach Phase 3 doing the traditional 2 weeks a year (in reality at least 50% more a year).

    As someone who doesn't qualify for the scheme but has yet to reach Phase 3 in the new scheme it is a little annoying. The marginal cost of throwing a few thousand as an incentive for those currently working their way through the system to get a move on wouldn't be much. Instead you're going to have people on the same courses where one gets a pot of gold at the end and the other doesn't. "If you can't take a joke" applies I know, but still.
  14. Playing Devil's advocate here. Why do we need more RNR officers? Surely a majority of the jobs that they fill on a part-time could be filled with RNR SR's?

    (This is in no way bashing the officer corps!!!)
  15. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    The key issue is the RNR officer corps age profile. For many years the RNR needed more JR/SRs, and recruited them and it felt that Wardrooms suffered as a result. The current challenge (which without wishing to say I told you so, but I've posted on this for years) is that a very large chunk of the RNR Officer cadre hit retirement age in the next 3-5 years.

    What is needed is to recruit fresh blood in, not to enlarge the corps but to replace retiring officers and meet headcount targets as they stand.
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  16. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    Don't preach what you don't practise ;-)
  17. Well an awful lot of the ad hoc mobilisations which happen aren't for specialisation skills they are for SO2/3 roles.

    Separately you can grow RNR Officers much quicker than you can RNR SRs. The need to grow the RNR increases the need for unit and specialisation jobs. The YO programme these days can produce a generic, properly qualified DO in 3 years (or even in ~18 months with Hermes). Now would a crusty CPO be a better DO? Probably, but we don't have enough of them as it is. The other benefit with RNR YOs is that they tend to be time rich and a bit more enthusiastic. Purple Twiglet has plenty of experience with how that can hit the brick wall of reality but times are changing, the old guard are retiring. Getting twenty somethings in and having them attempt meaningful change, with the support of experienced SRs is likely to be more effective than hacking off existing SRs by lumping a load of work on them as the officers retire without being able to produce many more of them to pick up the slack.

    The other aspect is the workload, it may be "part time" but it is an awful lot more than 2 hours a week. Signing up as a YO is a commitment to play along with that these days, and a unit gets plenty of time out of you before you possibly focus more on your specialisation. The same just isn't true for JRs, who of course become SRs through professional competence so there is much more specialisation demand upon them and they're much more likely to both have to, and be able to, say "sorry, I can't help with that" to their unit.
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  18. I'm currently an RNR LT, who has done 2 tours and am in my mid 30's

    I think this is a great idea, - however the sad reality is that the training takes far too long and is too cumbersome. I joined at 23, and despite doing my full 28 days a year it took me until the age of 29/30 before I could mobilise.

    HERMES is a great start, however for most people they can do 6 - 8 weekends a year plus 2 weeks, plus a drill night. CMR has to get to the position where a candidate can be processed up to SLT and SO3 level within 18 months within the 2 weeks ORT constraints.

    Any gaps in training could be backfilled during the mobilisation phase. The training is taking too long.

    Streamline it significantly and you will help to solve the gap in numbers.

    End of rant.
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  19. Purple_twiglet

    Purple_twiglet War Hero Moderator

    Again, without wanting to say 'I told you so' but I've said for years we need to harness the time rich cash poor ex-URNU types. Hermes has huge potential as if you can get people into the RNR before they get a real job, its much easier to develop the mentality of fitting the real job round the RNR and not the other way around.
  20. I certainly don't need to be an officer to do my job; however, I do need to be an officer to get people to listen to me. I had a great deal of trouble getting people to listen when filling a LtCdr slot during mobilisation (as I was a Lt at the time). I was the most junior staff officer in the room throughout, and more than once well-meaning but uninformed LtCdrs of both UK and NATO origin side-lined me or ignored what I told them, based on my rank (and at least once I had to have an oppo in Northwood back in the UK kill one of their well-meaning but incorrect initiatives after I'd killed it myself once in theatre, and had them decide to push it through again but this time without running it past me first).

    If I'd been tasked to that staff officer role as a Petty Officer, I think I wouldn't have even got into the room.
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