This should draw a line under the veil

A bit hypocritical of the CoE mind you. Look at all their complaints about a woman not being allowed to wear her crucifix outside her uniform on BA whilst all other staff were forbidden from doing do (special rights for Christians?) but when a Muslim exercises her right to publically express her beliefs they sack her. They cannot have it both ways. One law for Christians and another for Muslims it seems! :roll:

They really should read what the New Testament has to say about hypocrisy these Christians. They'd be in for a really nasty shock! :evil:
 

slim

War Hero
Always_a_Civvy said:
A bit hypocritical of the CoE mind you. Look at all their complaints about a woman not being allowed to wear her crucifix outside her uniform on BA whilst all other staff were forbidden from doing do (special rights for Christians?) but when a Muslim exercises her right to publically express her beliefs they sack her. They cannot have it both ways. One law for Christians and another for Muslims it seems! :roll:

They really should read what the New Testament has to say about hypocrisy these Christians. They'd be in for a really nasty shock! :evil:

Comeon Steve, there is a world of difference between a small cross and a veil which effectively covers the face.
If the veil was mandatory wear for Muslims perhaps she would have been on safer ground.
 

F169

War Hero
There doesnt seem to be any hypocrisy in this particular case. Had there been they wouldn't have employed her in the first place would they?

Always a civvie - "these christians" also have pretty firm views about sexual orientation dont they?
 

slim

War Hero
Wearing the cross is not compulsory for Christians. I think we are rapidly approaching a point where all religious symbols should be banned. They seem to be creating animosity wherever they are used.
However as the Queen is the head of the country and also head of the Christian church it seems fairly obvious that the UK is still supposedly a Christian country. Its about time we stopped bending over backwards to accommodate all and sundry and do same as other countries. Thailand is a Buddhist country but allows freedom of religious expression, Northern Cyprus is a Muslim country but allows freedom of expression, China is communist but to a point allows freedom of expression. These countries allow this freedom but do not bend over backwards to fund religious activities from state funds.
The UK bends over backwards and of course gets shafted for it!
 
F169 said:
There doesnt seem to be any hypocrisy in this particular case. Had there been they wouldn't have employed her in the first place would they?

Always a civvie - "these christians" also have pretty firm views about sexual orientation dont they?

:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Well I learned recently that a government Minister, who shall remain nameless, demanded that a non-religious belief group seek the consent of the Church of England before the Government would consider acknowledging their human rights in law under Article 9(1) of the European Convention on Human Rights [link to pdf document]. You can bet the CoE would express outrage if they were subject to similar requirement viz, say, the National Secular Society!

What we have is a clear violation of the rights and freedoms of the non-religious by this government, who whilst consulting the religious about such things as providing public services and the "right" of the faithful to opt out of providing services to those they disapprove of, ignore their obligations towards the whole population. They wilfully ignore Article 9(2) of the above Convention, which constrains any freedom to manifest, etc., ones belief (whether religious or philosophical) where it seeks to impinge upon or deny the rights and freedoms of others. This is most typically demonstrated in Ministers stating that Bill X complies with the Human Rights Act 1998 when in a number of cases it clearly violates it!


Article 9 - Freedom of thought, conscience and religion

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion;
this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief and freedom,
either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and
observance.

(2) Freedom to manifest one's religion or beliefs shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety, for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
 

F169

War Hero
F*** the European Convention on Human Rights, F*** the European Court,
F*** the European Commission - they are all unelected/unimpeachable constrain the sovereignty of the nation state, asphyxiating the very freedoms of the British people.
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
They can stick their European law up their arse, we didn't vote for it.

Well I doubt you'll be saying that the next time you're in a country without a British Embassy and you need help - as a member of the EC you have the same rights and assistance from any European embass/consulate in the EU as all other European citizens... when you're in the sh!t and someone is trying to help get you out of it, do you really care they're from Denmark rather than the UK?!

Most people's perception of the EU is jaded due to the media picking out the 'bad' things it does. I am far from a Europhile myself, but unlike some of the xenophobic POVs in RR I like to do a bit of reasearch before I spout of about something I know (little) about! :lol:
 
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