The Telegraph: "Falkland Islands to be left without Warship"

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Re: The Telegraph: "Falkland Islands to be left without Wars

Now this is a cut tooooooo far.

However the new Bay ships are very capable, and versatile
 
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Re: The Telegraph: "Falkland Islands to be left without Wars

"In any shooting war with a serious enemy the Royal Navy would cease to exist within a few weeks."


Very true, painfully so.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
#4
Re: The Telegraph: "Falkland Islands to be left without Wars

Old news and badly presented. Because some platforms have failed (and are failing OST), because we're committing to the EU Anti Piracy initiative we've had to juggle programmes which means a few small gaps appear in the programme of the usual commitments. Chopping the ATP(N) LSDA to go South is just an interim measure.

Lets not forget BFSAI has the oncall Tornado's, the C-130 which runs surveillance flights, its helo's and the Clyde OPV. Its not like we've closed shop and gone home!
 

damo567

Midshipman
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Re: The Telegraph: "Falkland Islands to be left without Wars

wave_dodger said:
Old news and badly presented. Because some platforms have failed (and are failing OST), because we're committing to the EU Anti Piracy initiative we've had to juggle programmes which means a few small gaps appear in the programme of the usual commitments. Chopping the ATP(N) LSDA to go South is just an interim measure.
You say this like a "few small gaps" isn't a problem, surely this is just the start of our problems, all due to the fact we haven't got enough ships!
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
#6
So the sum of this story is we don't have a DD/FF in APT(S) doing stirring destroyer like things? Shame the article neglected to point out that we have got the following down there at the moment:

1 x Bay Class LPD
1 x Rover Class Tanker
1 x Clyde Class OPV
1 x Endurance Class Antarctic Patrol Ship
Assorted Tugs etc

Just what does a DD/FF bring to the party that these ships can't do exactly? Argentina is in no position to invade the islands - we have all the capabilities we need for current ops. As usual this is a total non story.
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
#8
Sorry - it was a slightly faceitious comment. What I meant to say is that we have 4 pussers canoes in the area, all of which have clearly defined roles. Given we don't face a threat from the Argies at the moment, I'm not quite sure why some people think its the end of the world if we don't have a DD/FFG on station?
 
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If you lived on the Falklands I'm sure you'd feel a bit differently.
Frigate/Destroyer is there for protection. The rest are there in support of the protection.

There is now no protection.
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
#10
Lamri

I'm sorry but that is just emotional BS. If you consider what is there - the company group, the airfield, the interceptors, the airlift, the air defences, the patrol vessels, the support etc. If you think that a single frigate will make the slightest difference, then you are deluded.

The escort fleet provides capabilities, but, at a time when there is no threat, and there is no credible chance of Argentina providing a threat, we have to grow up and move on. The line that the Falklands are somehow vulnerable because a single Frigate isn't on station, when its often not on station for months at a time anyway is just bilge.
 
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Purple_twiglet said:
Lamri

I'm sorry but that is just emotional BS. If you consider what is there - the company group, the airfield, the interceptors, the airlift, the air defences, the patrol vessels, the support etc. If you think that a single frigate will make the slightest difference, then you are deluded.

The escort fleet provides capabilities, but, at a time when there is no threat, and there is no credible chance of Argentina providing a threat, we have to grow up and move on. The line that the Falklands are somehow vulnerable because a single Frigate isn't on station, when its often not on station for months at a time anyway is just bilge.
Yes, to us it may be emotional BS, but, like I said in the first part of my post, imagine how different you would feel if you lived there.
Face it, it really doesn't matter what WE put down there - 23s are total dogshit, 42's are too old and out of date, 22's probably wouldn't make it.
However, what we DO have is the "The Navy's Here!" factor, letting them know that we haven't forgotten them, nor will we. Well, sorry but this sends the message that we have.
If, as a reservist, you are privvy to so much Argentinian military knowledge, I would suggest that you need to contact to powers-that-be with enough time for us to be able to do something about it, the next time the Argies ARE in a position to take them. I would say that we, as in the RN, need roughly fifteen years to be in a position of strength, so make sure you let us know that far in advance.
;)
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
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Lamri

If you doubt Argie capabilities and are still serving, then PM me and I'll give you the idiots guide to how to do an RFI so you can see for yourself.
The joy of working somewhere far more interesting in my day job - but nice attempt to get a bite though!

If we had 'forgotten them', then we would not have any ships at all out there - the fact is that we are stretching other vessles programmes to keep something down there is a sign of the commitment we place to the FI - 4 warships forward deployed is not a small commitment by any nation.
 
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Not an attempt to get a bite. Only the truth. As a part-timer I wouldn't expect you to understand.
You need to stop looking at this from a reservist point of view and attempt to look at this from an Islanders point of view, if at all possible (have you even been there?).
Yet another cut in operations due to lack of assets, leaving those that ARE there in a support role with nothing to support. They will be gone soon too as there is no need for them to be there supporting nothing, and before you know it we have no Naval presence in the area and no way of getting any there soon enough.
 

wave_dodger

MIA
Book Reviewer
#17
Lamri said:
Purple_twiglet said:
Just what does a DD/FF bring to the party that these ships can't do exactly?
I bet you wrote that with a straight face, didn't you!
Lamri, the post deployment report from the last T42 was interesting (sic), their highlight was a CASEVAC of a pongo!

The T42 isn't an INT gatherer, has a crap boarding capability, suffers more OFDEFS than god knows what and has how many working warshots to shoot at air tracks?

In the end all the platforms of any shape or form are there to do is provide a presence.

I imagine the powers have looked at the threat from Argentina and made a reasonable decision!
 

Purple_twiglet

War Hero
Moderator
#19
Your argument doesnt make sense - you complain that there is no DD/FF in theatre, then you say it doesnt matter as they are out of date? If they are out of date, then why spend any time with them in theatre?
 
#20
If you read my posts then perhaps you would understand my position as a regular. You have made your position perfectly clear in the pm you sent.
 

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