The Police

Jimmy_Green

War Hero
With only a couple of years before I rejoin civvy street I am now actively considering which direction to take for my future career path.

One of the things I have considered is IT security (penetration testing, ethical hacking and computer forensics) but the other area that interests me is in joining the police, either a Home Office force or the MOD plod.

Are there any members of RR that have joined the police that can give me an insight into what to expect for someone joining the police with a forces background?

Will it be possible to combine both areas of interest?

Also, is it worth transferring pusser's pension to the police's pension scheme?
 
Jimmy_Green said:
With only a couple of years before I rejoin civvy street I am now actively considering which direction to take for my future career path.

One of the things I have considered is IT security (penetration testing, ethical hacking and computer forensics) but the other area that interests me is in joining the police, either a Home Office force or the MOD plod.

Are there any members of RR that have joined the police that can give me an insight into what to expect for someone joining the police with a forces background?

Will it be possible to combine both areas of interest?

Also, is it worth transferring pusser's pension to the police's pension scheme?

I joined the Old Bill many years ago from Pusser and left Plod more than 10 years ago and carried across no pension as I did not have one.

Within the UK at present many forces are putting white males at the bottom of recruiting lists as they try to match the ethnic and female equality numbers put on them. Currently all join as Pc's and after a minium of 20 weeks training are let out as uniform PC's. It is normally two years before you are allowed to specialize into CID, Traffic etc. It is a well paid job with a good pension but like all things these days has budget constraints, targets etc.

It of course depends on what part of the country you wish to be stationed Forces are still Regional or County based. So if you want to join Devon and Cornwall it used to be near as dammit Dead Mans Shoes, where as London or Manchester no problem. You will find they are more interested in getting Police Community Support Officers into the ranks cos they cost half the price. Your Housing situation of course is a major factor. Can you afford to rent or purchase near where you may be stationed. Public transport is often not an option when working shifts 365 day a year.

If you are deeply into IT and have abilty to do Java and similar then financially, look seriously at IT contracting being part of a team writing programmes for Customer companies.

Nutty

PS Of course you would get better answers from some one who has done this very recently my posting is thoughts for you to consider as no ne else has responded.
 

Jimmy_Green

War Hero
Thanks for your reply Nutty,

I have browsed the poilcecouldyou website and had a look at some of the regional websites which give the basic info. Much like a civvy would look at Pusser's official website. There are only a handful of forces that are recruiting at the moment and the one that appeals most is Avon & Somerset. I have joind one of the police forums but am still reading through all the old posts before I chip in, besides most seem to be civvies that are going through the paper sift stage so I don't think they'll really be able to answer too many of the questions I have to ask. I really need the advice from an old and bold copper.

A couple of the other forces I'm looking at are MOD plod and CNC.

I would like to specialise after the probation period, probably traffic or AR but in reality, how long after the 2 year probation period should one wait before applying?

As for the IT side, I'm not interested in programming but the security aspect. I know the National High Tech Crime Unit ran the IT side of things that I'm interested in and the NHTCU has now been absorbed into SOCA. Is SOCA considered to be a police force in it's own right, as MDP, BTP & CNC are or is it classed as a government agency?
 
Jimmy_Green said:
Thanks for your reply Nutty,

I have browsed the poilcecouldyou website and had a look at some of the regional websites which give the basic info. Much like a civvy would look at Pusser's official website. There are only a handful of forces that are recruiting at the moment and the one that appeals most is Avon & Somerset. I have joind one of the police forums but am still reading through all the old posts before I chip in, besides most seem to be civvies that are going through the paper sift stage so I don't think they'll really be able to answer too many of the questions I have to ask. I really need the advice from an old and bold copper.

A couple of the other forces I'm looking at are MOD plod and CNC.

I would like to specialise after the probation period, probably traffic or AR but in reality, how long after the 2 year probation period should one wait before applying?

As for the IT side, I'm not interested in programming but the security aspect. I know the National High Tech Crime Unit ran the IT side of things that I'm interested in and the NHTCU has now been absorbed into SOCA. Is SOCA considered to be a police force in it's own right, as MDP, BTP & CNC are or is it classed as a government agency?

I think you will find Avon and Somerset were one of the forces recently criticized for running a hidden adgenda to keep white male recruits to a minumum and build up the ethnic and female staff.

Different forces have different ideas about when to specialise but most start after probation. The secret seems to be if you have set your mind on traffic then during your probation period involve yourself as often as possible with great enthusiam with traffic matters. Do no ignore crime, Domestic etc but people will soon pick up where you want to go and a pre-volunteer is always better than an applicant who pops out of the woodwork with no track record.

AS far as SOCA goes I have had no recent imput but at the time of formation great problems were going on trying to put Police, Customs, Tax, Immigration etc all with different terms of Service and Powers if any to enter seize and arrest. As I understand it they are not Police Officers but are civil servants, or Goverment Agents but thats only via press reports etc.

If I was going to apply to join I would start the ball rolling at least 1 year before discharge.

Nutty
 

Jimmy_Green

War Hero
Nutty said:
If I was going to apply to join I would start the ball rolling at least 1 year before discharge.

With 784 days to go :) before I leave the mob I think I'm giving myself plenty of time to find out as much as possible and yes, I was planning on applying 8-12 months before my discharge date. I think some forces have different rules on when you can apply. Besides, in the next 12 months or so it's possible that other forces may start recruiting again and a couple of the other HO forces I'd like to take a look at are Devon & Cornwall and West Mercia.

Do the police have a more positive attitude towards applicants from the forces compared to civvies?
 

Old_Hand

Lantern Swinger
I joined the South Wales Police in 1980 having served 11 years in the mob. I had 9 years pensionable time and was allowed to transfer 8 years into my police pension. That meant I was able to retire from the force at 48 with a 30 full pension but only had to serve 22 years. However, I now believe a person has to do 35 years before getting a full pension.
 
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angrydoc

Guest
I thought this was going to be a thread about Sting's band.

Disappointed now!
 

clanky

War Hero
Jimmy_Green said:
Nutty said:
If I was going to apply to join I would start the ball rolling at least 1 year before discharge.

With 784 days to go :) before I leave the mob I think I'm giving myself plenty of time to find out as much as possible and yes, I was planning on applying 8-12 months before my discharge date. I think some forces have different rules on when you can apply. Besides, in the next 12 months or so it's possible that other forces may start recruiting again and a couple of the other HO forces I'd like to take a look at are Devon & Cornwall and West Mercia.

Do the police have a more positive attitude towards applicants from the forces compared to civvies?

I've been thinking of trying the MDP, though to be honest I've only gone as far as downloading the application form so far. Heres what seem to be the police version of Arrse though.http://www.police-recruitment.com/one2/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16713
 

slim

War Hero
I had several mates who on leaving the RN joined the MOD Plods. They all seemed happy with their lot and the ones I met up with later reckoned that it was a far easier life than the main police forces.
 
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