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The penny drops

flymo

War Hero
I seem to recall reading\hearing that G4$ are going to spend £2m and give the service personnel a coin or something? Oh, well that's all right then but still pocket millions from the contract. And that's after their £50m fine.
 

tiddlyoggy

War Hero
Book Reviewer
Flymo, G4S are making a donation to service charities, not recompensing the government for using HM Forces to bail them out.
 

Tribalclass

Midshipman
Don't get that!

One of the ministerial observations was the fact the Military were flexible. Needing two years to recover is hardly being flexible. More government spin and confusion!

I know what you mean. Howver, with so much training outsourced to civvy agencies these days, the MOD pays actual moolah to training outfits and they don't give refunds for unfilled places. In the bigger scale, Pongo units need to achieve a certain number of training days per annum on their tanks/helicopters/guns/trucks/field kitchens etc or they or not considered operational. If they miss their slot on the Canadian tank/artillery ranges, then they stay missed (They don't work over winter).

I don't think it is governmental spin, more Pongo central spin with a spot of real world fact.
 

Waspie

War Hero
Any financial whizzes on yer?

I thought if you donate to charities the company can claim a percentage back as tax relief or the like!
 

broadside

War Hero
I know what you mean. Howver, with so much training outsourced to civvy agencies these days, the MOD pays actual moolah to training outfits and they don't give refunds for unfilled places. In the bigger scale, Pongo units need to achieve a certain number of training days per annum on their tanks/helicopters/guns/trucks/field kitchens etc or they or not considered operational. If they miss their slot on the Canadian tank/artillery ranges, then they stay missed (They don't work over winter).

I don't think it is governmental spin, more Pongo central spin with a spot of real world fact.

Not even Pongo spin - the chief planner was a crab IIRC (Wing Commander Peter Daulby) - so the real story is that the RAF will take 2 years to recover from not having the proper standard of hotel accommodation, Percy will need 2 months to get over the shock of having better accommodation under bridges and the like than they are used to elsewhere and Jack ...well, Jack is Jack.
 

Waspie

War Hero
So what to do with a 100kg guard who fatally restrains a 40kg boy? That's right - promote him to Safety, Health and Environmental Manager at G4S Children's Services..! :shock:

G4S guard fatally restrains 15 year old - gets promoted | openDemocracy

It's nothing new. In fact the services have been doing it for ages. Especially officers. Get outside the promotion zone - **** up - lose seniority - then get promoted because the board remember your name, (for the wrong reasons), get promoted.

We've done it so why can't the private sector? Not being confrontational, just pointing out they haven't invented something new.
 

sgtpepperband

War Hero
Book Reviewer
I understand that it occurs in all industries, especially the military. However I am disgusted that the guard (now manager) is effectively in charge of the process that allowed him to kill a teenage boy! In my Station we use G4S medics to assess and care for persons in custody; while I have no particular gripe with individual employees, G4S as a company are not exactly doing themselves any favours with incidents like this.
 

Waspie

War Hero
I understand that it occurs in all industries, especially the military. However I am disgusted that the guard (now manager) is effectively in charge of the process that allowed him to kill a teenage boy! In my Station we use G4S medics to assess and care for persons in custody; while I have no particular gripe with individual employees, G4S as a company are not exactly doing themselves any favours with incidents like this.


Agree, it's wrong and insensitive.
 
I understand that it occurs in all industries, especially the military. However I am disgusted that the guard (now manager) is effectively in charge of the process that allowed him to kill a teenage boy!

In my Station we use G4S medics to assess and care for persons in custody; while I have no particular gripe with individual employees, G4S as a company are not exactly doing themselves any favours with incidents like this.

Whoops - I've just had to double check that this post was on CA turf not at "Bloody Police!"...

So sorry.
 
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